Noseometer,

I checked out Artemis' credentials on HMFR, and all I can say is, "Wow!" It is a stunning looking rose...possibly considered a more refined version of Bolero.

Your photos and every other photo of it at HMFR is prettier than the next one I looked at.

Perhaps Angel Gardens needs to be contacted personally.

Surely many rosarians are growing this looker here in the USA. A Virginian is posting photos of it on HMFR. Going by the many European rosarians posting their photos there, it seems to have quite a following.

White and fragrant is right up my alley!

Moses

I love this rose. Exactly what Iove

Hopefully someone can find a source for this beauty.

In really meagre sandy 'soil' where I've got this, and I use the term soil loosely in this case, it's not a vigorous rose and probably needs better conditions, - it hasn't grown a great deal, however it puts on a reasonable show all summer. Strongly scented of myrrh, the type that you find in so many Austin roses..

I think a former member here in Italy - 'tuderte'?? - has a bush about 5 foot or so of this...

Noseometer,

Pam from Angel Garden has the mother plant. I just spoke to her. She is starting to propagate it because of my inquiry. These plants should be available to ship in 6 months time, as she informed me. I am on her waiting list.

She has propagated and sold Artemis in the past.

Pam also said she may have a plant of Artemis to ship at this time, but needs to check. If she does have one, you may purchase it if you want. I can wait. I will let you know, ASAP, if that option is available for you. I will contact her before the close of today to know one way or another.

Moses

Moses, you are a good detective

Wow, Moses, you are amazing! It's not that I *need* another rose. But as you say, "white and fragrant is right up my alley." I could replace Pure Perfume, which is an under-performer for me in terms of flower form and fragrance, and also in production, but that could be a matter of care quality. I also think that Artemis looks similar to Bolero.

Thank you for your input Malorena. After I posted, I realized I hadn't done a search and there was your posting.

If we can all get one in a few months, we will have to post comparisons on how it grows in our climates.

Good job Moses! Its a beauty!

Well...who knows what will happen by August? Sure, why not. So what can I take out? Winchester Cathedral? Pure Perfume? I may have started it, but Moses, you are a trouble maker! LOL! ....Pam says I'm the fourth person to be on the waiting list! :-0

noseometer...dont subtract, just add :D

@ Moses ::Raises hand:: GUILTY!!!

Adding to my garden...that's a tendency I have to resist....I don't want a collection of crowded poorly cared for plants, which is what I would end up with. I've done that before and it was horribly depressing.

Suncoastflowers,

Guilty, but sentence commuted to a life of enjoying roses!

Moses

Noseometer,

I am blessed with a niece who is an avid gardener. Her large garden is somewhat an extension of mine.

I resist crowding roses religiously, so May gets new/trial roses that I have no room for. Then, if a trial rose turns out to be a winner in May's garden, I get to enjoy it too, and maybe make room for its duplicate in my garden.

Moses

Pam at Angel Garden is already up to 5 on her Artemis waiting list. Artemis, here we go!

Moses

No pressure, Ms Pam, no pressure. :)

Moses, that sounds like a great solution...I hope it will be a while before you fill up May's garden! I think I've already filled my gardening friend's yard with my discards and extra cuttings. And my mother's which is a thousand of miles away (I bring them on the plane). She's told me not to give her any more, even though roses are her favorite flower. And I've given my extra rooted cuttings to my sister's friend (also a thousand miles away). Now what?! I've already removed a couple roses from my garden this year to make way for others. The pot ghetto has been created this year. Sigh. This has become more than a hobby. It's now an eccentricity.

It' a sickness for sure and there is no cure

Pot ghettos are great. When dh says, did you get MORE plants? I'm like, I just moved the pots around, which I do, to make the new one blend in.

Ha ha ha ha, I do the same thing. " New Rose? What new rose ?" I don't think my husband would even notice if I got a bunch of new roses because to him it looks like all I have is roses everywhere.

Sultry Jasmine Nights,

You have the expert communication skills of a cross examiner. Perry Mason, step aside for Sultry!

I try hard to give truthful answers, but not to the point of self incrimination.

When pressed for the cold, hard truth, plead the 5th., or answer with, "Why do you want to know?".....stops the inquisitor dead in their tracks!

Moses

Lol, by now I think my dh thinks I'm a lost cause when it comes to plants. Its not like Im collecting gerbils in the house or anything. If I was I'm sure he would have sumpin to say 'bout that lol.

Lol

Pam emailed me back this evening, after I emailed her earlier this afternoon asking about her propagating success on Artemis. She wrote, "Sorry, nothing yet.". She also wrote that when it happens she will notify me (us). Oh well, I hope she succeeds soon.

Moses

Were any of you able to get Artemis/Sweet Child of Mine? How has it performed for you with disease resistance, bloom, and fragrance?

Artemis was available from palatine this year. It was sold out immediately and I couldn’t get it. Would love to try this one.

I was not able get one after a long while of trying. oh well…

I bought it from Palatine perhaps four years ago. Not sure how helpful this is but in my experience it wasn't the charming rose pictured above. It seemed to be a healthy plant but the flowers were quite small and would get a dark center (the stamens) after the first day or so, not very attractive. I think it had that pretty billowy look for a day. II don't remember if it was fragrant. I also have Bolero, which is not quite white but it has a larger bloom and keeps its looks while it lasts. I eventually put Artemis at the curb.

Now that more information is available on Artemis, especially photos of it on HMFR, I am a disappointed fellow. 😞

At a height of 4' and having small, 2.5" blooms in clusters, I cannot use it.

BIt would have to be planted at the back of my 8' wide rose bed because of its height. Picking the spent blooms out of the clusters would involve walking into the rose bed which I avoid because of soil compaction and thorn dangers. I use a long pole grabber pruner to do dead heading back there now and the tool is difficult to navigate sometimes. Trying to pick out small spent blooms approximately 8' away with a long pole pruner/grabber would be nerve racking to say the least! 😵

Also, Artemis is almost guaranteed to ball up like Earth Angel does. Its black spot resistance/immunity is still in question. If it gets black spot I don't want it for sure. If only it was a shorty andat about 24", I could possibly care for it better then.

Moses

@Ana C 6b Ontario and @Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & warm/humid S z6 Thank you for all the good information! If the blooms are small and don't last long in your climate, I cannot imagine it would fair any better in Texas heat. I get enough balling with Clotilde Soupert, which also has very small flowers in clusters...

Moses, you mean there are roses that actually stay at 24 inches tall? My grocery store mini is pushing 6 feet, truly. My naming contest winner for this rose is "Pink Elephant". My new bareroot In April, Double Easy Orange, is 2.5 feet tall and wider already than the predicted size. And it's on its second flush already. Buy this rose. Diane

-5° F. a time or two over winter as lows, keep my roses much shorter from winter die back in epic proportions almost every year. Global warming has not hit me yet. I can depend on shorter bushes achieved by seasons end than experienced in warmer climes.

Moses

Diane, that's a nice looking rose. Does Double Easy Orange black spot?

Moses

Moses, I've only grown this rose since April, and here, we don't get black spot. So I can't advise you on that. Tom Carruth is the breeder of Double Easy Orange, and Easy Does It is a parent. Would that help you concerning black spot? Probably not. Do you grow any of his roses like Julia Child or Memorial Day? If so, do they have good disease resistance in your garden? I wish I could help more. Diane

Double easy orange in its first flush. It's having a larger flush right now. Maybe I have another Julia Child on my hands.

Second Flush