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Engineered Hardwood Flooring Problem- New Construction- Advice needed!

8 years ago

We bought a new construction house about three months ago. Throughout the home building process, we have tried so hard to work amicably with the developer (seller) and GC. There have been so many problems leading up to this point.


At this time, the most pressing issue is the engineered hardwood flooring on all levels of the house as you can see from the descriptions and pictures below. The seller's own flooring contractors, as well as two independent companies identified the same issues and offered similar solutions. There are areas where the floor dips between beams, there is bubbling, squeaking, etc... The GC is adamant in saying that our flooring was installed correctly, despite what the flooring professionals say. His solution is to nail into the floor. However, the flooring companies/contractors have informed us that this is not a permanent solution and that the subfloor needs to be examined and repaired (i.e., sanded down, beams leveled, planks replaced, etc.). This could be a $10,000 endeavor. Nonetheless, we have been consistent in setting our expectations..


On the second floor, the edge of the floor by the stairs is higher than the middle of the floor. This has resulted in an abnormal gap between planks.




Also, the floors in the two guest bedrooms were installed incorrectly. There are empty nail holes and planks installed groove to groove, as opposed to tongue-and-groove. The empty nail holes can also be seen on the first and third floors. The GC assures us that this is no issue and that the holes just need to be filled in.




We have asked the GC to explain the areas of the house where the bubbling and squeaking have gotten progressively worse since we moved in. If the floors were installed correctly then why are there dips in the floor between beams? Why are there abnormal gaps between planks and empty nail holes noticeable throughout the entire house? Is it a moisture problem? Is it due to space between the wood floor and subfloor? Is the subfloor not flat? Was the process rushed?


If the GC and seller refuse to fix/replace our floors, what options do we have left? We have consulted with a lawyer, who advised us to speak with our home insurance or settle the dispute in small claims court... Does anyone have additional advice? Do we let the GC "fix" it his way and then go to small claims court if/when it doesn't work? We just want to move on from the punchlist and building nightmares and make this house our HOME...


Thanks in advance for reading.

Comments (13)

  • 8 years ago
    Do you have any signs of settling throughout the house (ie cracks in the drywall, doors not shutting properly, etc.)? I'm questioning this, since the dips and rises in the floor would concern me more than the bad install.
    REL0516 thanked annied75
  • 8 years ago

    Hi Annie. Yes, we have some signs of settling. One of the doors in our master bathroom won't shut and there are some cracks on the walls in the laundry room...

  • 8 years ago
    It's not unusual to have some settling, however, you may want to speak with a structural engineer to ensure that the issue isn't more complex. I'm sure there will be some experts that will weigh in on your post.
    REL0516 thanked annied75
  • 8 years ago

    Oh boy, I hope so!

  • 8 years ago

    Update: The GC continues to tell us that the floor "meets industry standards..."

    We're also having issues with the stairs... They need to be sanded down and restrained... or something.

    At this point, we don't know what to do aside from taking the GC/developer to small claims court. It's a big, embarrassing mess for a new and expensive house... Every day feels like a terrible nightmare-- it's really defeating when you just want to make your house a home.

    Any suggestions on what else we can do? Or, how we can approach the conversation in a different way?

  • 8 years ago
    Oh, boy! The additional photos that you posted show the incredible lack of talent of the builder and his subs. The finish work is absolutely unacceptable -- stain splatters all over the paint, globs of chaulk, etc. I really don't know what yo tell you. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I would first call a structural engineer to ensure that the settling that you are experiencing is typical. Then, I would have a rep from the flooring manufacturer come out. By looking at their finish work, I suspect the installation of the floor was done incorrectly.
    REL0516 thanked annied75
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    There should not be any dips between joists nor bouncing/movement that causes squeaks. It sounds like the underlayment is too thin for the joist spacing. Edge of room/space higher than middle sounds like too small of joists? Groove to groove should NEVER happen.

    If you'd not already moved in I'd suggest refusing to close.

    I agree w/ Annie, you need to first talk to a structural engineer and make sure your house is sound and second that it was built to code/spec. I don't think the problems you've mentioned would pass code here but maybe they do there. Overall it seems like really shoddy work and well beyond small claims court.

    REL0516 thanked opaone
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Thanks @opaone and @annied75 --- I might look into contacting a NWFA inspector. We can't really put out more money at this point, so our options seem limited.

    It's beyond frustrating and terribly upsetting, to say the least.

  • 8 years ago

    Ugh @springtimebuilders -- I know this!

  • 8 years ago

    I take it you dont have a new home warranty? (They are required where I am up in Canada, but let me tell you, that 'warranty' isnt all its cracked up to be either).


    If you dont have a warranty, best bet it to get a 3rd party expert (or two) and serve your builder with copies and politely ask him again to remedy. If not, pursue small claims. (Sadly these are workmanship, not code issues, or I'd suggest you sick your building inspector on him).


    Good luck, I get what you are saying about yoru house - I'm waiting for a new home warranty claim to be resolved - spring came and my drywall got ruined due to a water intrusion issue! The warranty rep and GC are speaking to each other, but refuse to speak to me. (I have to wait for 'paperwork to come in the mail', grrrr...)

    REL0516 thanked lookintomyeyes83
  • 3 years ago

    Curious if you ever resolved your problem. As with any professional install it's 75% prep and 25% install. Seems like your GC didn't do the prep well (ensure that floors were level before the install). Also your wood plants should be perpendicular to the joists. If they run parallel you will run into future sag issues.

  • 3 years ago

    I'm sure the OP fixed the problem since it was FOUR years ago.