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Confused about IKEA kitchen installation

8 years ago
If I hire an installation service such as Traemand, I need to have someone demo and install the new floor first and paint, then have Traemand put in the cabinets, then the call the first contractor back to put in the backsplash after the counters are in? Is this less than hiring a contractor to do the whole job? It seems so. It seems crazy to pay a contractor $25,000 to demo 50sf. of floor, put in new tile there, install 12 cabinets, and 12 linear feet of backsplash and paint about 125 sf. I would rather use my own electrician and plumber. Don't the appliance companies install the new appliances? Am I missing something? I don't mind paying if it's warranted, but is it? Which way is best? All in one to install everything, or one to install just cabinets and one to install the rest?

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  • 8 years ago

    I served as my own contractor for my kitchen remodel. DH and I did our own demolition (just taking down old cabinets, no walls changed); I painted the walls. If I remember correctly (it's been 5 years) the order was like this:

    - get a building permit from the city
    - remove old cabinets
    - electrician to update wiring as needed
    - electrician scheduled inspection
    - carpenter (a friend) to repair drywall and cut a hole in the outside wall for the range vent
    - I painted the walls
    - flooring guy put in new tile
    - cabinet maker installed new cabinets
    - electrician came back to wire undercabinet lights and DW
    - quartz counter installed (through cabinet maker)
    - plumber (another friend) to install faucet and disposal

    I no doubt saved some money doing it this way, but it did cost time. Since things had to be done in a certain order, I needed to allow plenty of time between steps, to make sure each sub was done before the next one was ready. I also had to stay on top of everyone's schedule, and keep in contact with each participant, which took time. One also needs to be very clear about who is responsible for what, and don't assume anything!

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The value of one neck to choke when there is a problem can not be overstated enough. Being your own GC seems great until the finger pointing starts and you’re expected to solve it. With your money. Because you are the GC first and that is your job. You are only secondarily a customer if you hire all of the trades directly. All of the total job responsibility is yours.

  • 8 years ago
    Thanks Anne. Did you change where things went in the kitchen? I was told I didn't need an alteration permit though. To get one you need an architect to submit a TR-1 with it, I'm told, which adds $$$ to the project. I can't do any of the work myself. I just don't know where to turn on this. Thought I had a contractor but he told me I had to leave for 3-4 weeks. No thanks.
  • 8 years ago

    Did the contractor tell you that you had to vacate while he did the kitchen?

    Realistically the kitchen is going to take at least 3 - 4 weeks so you would be without a kitchen for a certain amount of time.

    But why does he care if you crash in your bedroom at night and leave during the day?

    Generally high rise apartments are trickier in terms of living with construction since there is nowhere to escape and generally not even excess space to set up a bare bones kitchen but if only one room (the kitchen) is being remodeled, you would still have a bedroom I assume.

    I am vacating my unit for the duration as it's a gut remodel including removal of the asbestos popcorn ceiling. I have two bathrooms so theoretically I could have stayed after ceiling was taken down by crashing in my bedroom but given the scope of the project, it made no sense and would lengthen the amount of time since if I am gone they can do the plumbing all at once instead of leaving one bathroom functional.

  • 8 years ago
    I would have Traemand install the kitchen. They can do it fast and if there’s any issues they/ikea have to take care of it. I had a few and they came back to fix it.
    So yes, demo and do your floors first, also plan if you need new drywall and wiring, etc. Then Traemand comes in. Then whoever you buy appliances from can install them. Then find a tile person for backsplash....
  • 8 years ago
    Helen, yes he told me to vacate for that time. That was for the kitchen and bath. I like to see what they are doing so no way I am leaving them there without me. I also don't think that's enough time for both. Another contractor said I could stay but won't have a toilet for a day only. Going to do the kitchen first and see how it goes. It's hard to find someone with credentials. Either they are licensed but not registered, or their license and insurance expired, or their company is not registered etc. It's a renovation jungle out there.
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Yes indeed it is difficult.

    I am working with a well connected designer. Three contractors came up approximately two weeks ago. Only one has submitted a bid. My designer said the second probably would be she thinks it will be higher than the one that was submitted and the third completely disappeared. The one who submitted the bid did renovations for my building's lobby so at least I know it isn't a complete shot in the dark so to speak since there were just the usual minor hiccups along the way.

    Luckily I found a woman who uses her unit in my building as essentially a pied a Terre and I am renting her spare bedroom so I will only have to move a few floors downstairs so I am going to be pretty much onsite as needed.

  • 8 years ago
    Well, I'm not moving out. Maybe for a day when they remove the toilet to do the floor but that's it. I have a bathroom in the garage in my building I can use if they get grouchy. My other apt. I slept in the bathtub one night when they did the floors. Was much younger then...lol!
  • 8 years ago

    I got a bid from Traemand for $25k, which was absolutely not in line with my budget (in fact, it more than doubles my budget). :( I'll have them do the cabinets, but use a plumber to install a new gas line (and faucet + disposal when time is right) and the great electrician I have can do lights, DW, etc. For demo, laying down plywood before counters, drywall repair, backsplash install, install vent hood, new door, new window, etc., I'm using a contractor I know and who does excellent work (he owns a very well-reputed GC company, but he'll do this as a side gig). I'll do all the insulating/priming/painting. Floors (done by a local flooring co.) will go in second to last, then appliances will go in last.


    At least -- that's the pretty picture I've made in my head about how all this will go. We'll see how that plays out against reality <sigh>.

  • 8 years ago

    Recipe for disaster. Way more than 25K worth of work there.

  • 8 years ago
    Amy, thanks so much for posting. I had no idea it was so little to install. It makes me look at this a whole new way! How many linear feet did you have of cabinets to install for that price? Does Traemond cut the toe kicks and do the filler strips too? So you did the floor, had them install, and then I guess the quartz goes in, and the contractor comes back to do the splash and paint.. If I need an electrcian and plumber, they come in before the contractor comes back to finish I guess. Who will install the appliances? Would rather someone do the whole thing, but not if it adds $5,000+ to the cost!
  • 8 years ago

    Since mine was a gut job, my contractor's subs were still there so basically they just moved to work in another room while Traemand was doing their thing. You can get an estimate from Traemand without any obligation, even before you buy your cabinets - Ikea sends them your kitchen drawings and in a few days they tell you how much to install. They don't calculate by linear feet - they look at how many base and uppers you have and the thing that drives up the installation price are the drawers. They cost more to assemble and install than cabinets. They put on any Ikea hardware for free and charge $7 a knob/pull if it's not Ikea (needless to say I went with Ikea!) I had an island (an L really) and got charged an extra $100 to secure it to the floor. My electrician had to run the wires for under cabinet lighting before Traemand came in and then he has to come back to finish connecting the wiring, otherwise your under cabinet wires show. If you buy a stock/laminate countertop from Ikea, Traemand will install it, otherwise Ikea contracts out with a stone yard to do that (I actually used Home Depot and just arranged for them to come template the day after Traemand). Contractor installs appliances last and plumber does dishwasher and line to fridge for icemaker/water filter. Yes, Traemand will do all toekicks and filler, although my contractor needed to remove the toekicks for the floors to be refinished, but I have hardwood. Hope this helps - I just had everything done a month ago and still am in the process of finishing so it's all fresh in my head.

  • 8 years ago

    After going round and round with this, I think I am going to get a GC and have them do it all. I wasn't that impressed by the Traemand guy who did the measurements and "design" (which Houzz had already done/with for me), and I just don't want the hassle of trying to get different teams of people to work together on this. The recommended GC comes tomorrow for us to meet and him to give us an estimate, so we'll see what he says. I guess if he wants to charge a ton for the cabinet install, I'll consider Traemond.

  • 8 years ago
    Thanks Amy and Stillpitpat. Very helpful info. Now I have too many contractors. Choose the wrong one and your life is hell for months. You have to check them with a fine toothed comb and trust your gut. I check their license, insurance reviews, lawsuits, and photos of their work. Anything I'm missing.
  • 8 years ago
    A contractor who called today wanted to charge $4,000 to install 12 IKEA cabinets. Maybe twice Traemand? That's about $333 a cabinet.
  • 8 years ago

    Or close to 2 grand an hour? :o

  • 8 years ago

    When we did IKEA kitchen in San Diego about 5 years ago, contractor charged $100 per cabinet to build and install (his company had an IKEA specialty). Guys were superfast and able to do all kinds of modifications. A year and a half ago in North Carolina, we did another IKEA kitchen but contractor did not have much experience with IKEA so we (meaning my husband) built the cabinets, the contractor installed them and we put in the doors/drawers (easy). Contractor installed the pulls. Everything ended up relatively fine (other issues with contractor) but it's nice to have someone with good experience with the product.. It does nothing good for your stress levels to see the guys scratching their heads about what to do.

  • 8 years ago
    Amy S.
    ....same here....took my Traemand guys 1.5 days....Had stuff to return.....sounds identical......these guys could do this in their sleep. And I rescheduled mine several times, too...with no issues.
  • 8 years ago
    Amy S.
    ....same here....took my Traemand guys 1.5 days....Had stuff to return.....sounds identical......these guys could do this in their sleep. And I rescheduled mine several times, too...with no issues.
  • 8 years ago
    I can't get to IKEA to return anything though. No car and bad back. Was it just the toe kicks and some hardware that was too many?