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norman_reyes42

Contractor Requesting More Money

8 years ago
Hi. We signed a general contract with a down payment of 10% of total cost of project which will cover soil engineer, land surveyer etc. for new car garage and somewhat storage area. So the new ADU for LA, CA that it can convert to a residential home. I decided to convert it from garage/mancave to residential home but my contractor again asking more money to cover the soil engineer, land surveyor etc. because of the changes to residential home. Does anyone knows the right answer for this question?

Comments (13)

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Did the structural plans change?

  • 8 years ago
    Yes the structural plans changed only the inside which will be a living space but dimension of the structure is still the same.
  • 8 years ago
    Yes I understand I need to grab that checkbook for redesigning the plan of the structure but not the land surveyor, soil engineer and other more who previously came and did all that which was part of the contract.
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Simply ask why additional expense is required at this time.

    My guess is that 10% down payment for a simple garage is not comparable to 10% for a habitable dwelling. You have made a substantial change in the scope and budget for your project. If you had started the project as an ADU, your 10% initial payment would have been substantially greater, don't you agree?

    If I was the builder I would be wondering about your integrity: starting cheaply and then changing your mind, after the initial payment, to a much more expensive project which he will have much greater start-up expenses. On the surface, it could be interpreted that you were just looking for a strategy to reduce your initial payment to the builder. Put yourself in her/his shoes--what would it look like to you?

    All of that said, I don't know why the work/fees for soils engineer and surveyor would change, unless the coverage and configuration of the design has changed substantially from a garage to the habitable dwelling, and if foundation locations and types have changed. Have they?

    Ask for an explanation of this aspect of the work.

  • 8 years ago

    Since you have substantially changed the scope of the project, you should expect additional work on soils, slopes, land survey-even permits- in your new concept.

    Get a newly designed contract, within your new build. It may be radically different. Not the contractor's choice or fault.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Is the contractor not answering these questions? He should be able to explain it better than any of us, and you have a right to ask.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    A "soil test" or geotechnical analysis is potentially a complex report, which may answer a question like, "Given the requirements of this structural design, what is the ability of the site to accommodate the structure? What are the issues in detail?" So, even within the same building foot print, if the structure changed as to weight, anchoring methods, foundation, drainage needs, etc. the analysis may need to be redone. OTOH, since you're paying for these tests and reports, you should know exactly what was in the first one and in what way, if any, the first report fails to cover the contemplated changes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geotechnical_investigation

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Once you changed the use of the land everything changed .

  • 8 years ago

    Sorry to break it to you but the contractor is correct here. The moment you change the structural backbone of a structure the soils engineer needs to get involved and write a letter to say the intended use of the structure is supported by prevailing soil conditions. It is probably fine for all you know BUT it does need to vetted and anytime any engineer puts pen on paper saying something is structurally correct that usually is a liability which ends up costing money to the homeowner.

    By the way, I am also in California, just north of you. There are many instances when i felt like I had to pull my hair out when something like this happened in my new build. All said and done, you are protecting yourself by having these engineers do analysis for you. Would you be okay if there was a landslide or if the subsurface water wasn't discharged correctly and that sunk the foundation or whatever..?

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you for all the answers. The new ADU was released on Dec 2017 allowing us to have from a garage/Storage/Workspace to a living space. I forgot to mentioned that an L shape retaining wall 8' located 5 feet from it was part of the contract which requires for sure soil engineer land surveyor etc. so it shouldnt change anything when it comes to it but I understand paying for redesigning the structure and city permits so forth. I hope everyone understand what Im trying to say. Thank you
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Let me ask it this way, do you know if the structural calcs changed because or the change order? Do you know that the structural calcs are based off of the soils report and it is the soils engineer who makes certain recommendations and the structural engineer looks at that and derives load bearing calcs from that, based on soil conditions.

    Maybe the change order needs the foundation or stem walls to be changed or the piers for retaining wall needs to be changed or maybe them need to be deeper or maybe the forms need to be #6 instead of #4. All i am saying is the soils engineer cost is warranted and you should accept it as part of being a change order.

  • 8 years ago

    Norman, you seem to be willing to "move" within all that it takes to get the new concept. That takes guts, and obviously you see opportunity. Good for you!

    I renew my call to work with your contractor/GC on a new contract for this new concept. Maybe it's just on one part of it all, but protect yourself against the brain damage and expense of change orders. Nothing better than clarity to make it all go smoothly, and allow you and your contractor to be better partners.