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Irina, et al: Advice request

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

I will be getting one or more highly variegated starters of the "difficult" category. They will be under a gro light. Do you suggest giving them a strong start by greening them with Epsom Salts or fish emulsion? Foliar spray? I don't have fish emulsion. Is it available in pet shops? The room temp will be about 70. Thanks, J

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  • 8 years ago

    Fish emulsion can be pungent, it is much better to use outdoors. Epsom salts, however don't smell and will help, 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon per gallon. Use the smaller amount if the plant is particularly delicate. It contains magnesium, which is essential for chlorophyll development. Also, avoid high phosphorous fertilizers (middle number) until the plant is mature enough to support larger proportions of variegation. Good luck!

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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Yes, since the middle number (P) is not higher than the other two (N) and (K). If it is in bloom, don't use a bloom booster yet as it will be too much for a young plant. You may get a flush of bloom, but if the plant can't support the variegation, the stress may kill it. If the plant is particularly pale and small, you might even consider drastic measures such as disbudding after it blooms true. You can stick the blossom stem in a small vase or cup of water if a flower or two are already open.

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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    You will need some fertilizer. If plant is heavily variegated, water a few times with Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) solution mentioned above and then use fertilizer after about 2-3 waterings when it begins to dry. It helped green up my recently acquired Berry Splash with crown variegation. The middle leaves are much darker now with sufficient chlorophyll.

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  • 8 years ago

    Yes, Epsom salts dissolved in water will help. Use some Saran Wrap, but drape it loosely over the plant to allow proper gas exchange. Put it on a higher shelf if possible and not close to the floor. Fertilize lightly until it greens up more. Good luck!

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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    If you get condensation on the plastic wrap, plastic toothpicks could help keep it elevated if needed. Light for 8-10 hours should be fine to start until it greens up. Buds may be somewhat pink depending on variety. My Berry Splash had a pink tinge on the crown leaves until they greened up. There seem to be enough green leaves to support some flowers. Just don't let it bloom like crazy until it gets more green.

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  • 8 years ago

    Light timers can be found at Walmart, Home Depot, or Lowes. Also, neighborhood hardware stores should have some. If your light needs three prong outlets, remember to buy a timer that has them. You may use a plastic container if you are going to be away for a week. Make sure to have vents in it somewhere. Also, 8-10 hours for lights will be better than 11-12. If the plant's growth rate is accelerated, it will need more water/nutrients and you won't be there to supply more. Have small open container of water to maintain humidity on the shelf.

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  • 8 years ago

    The plastic wrap has been helpful many times when I have been away from home. Plants that have a tendency to dry out sooner will need more than those that are slower growers. In the past I have removed blooms if I thought they would mold. Buds should be fine for just a week. If it were 10-14 days, I might disbud many of them.

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  • 8 years ago

    I agree - nothing will happen in one week. Water before you leave... and it is it. How often do you water? If you do it very second day - you will need to work on them - if every 5-6 days- just let them be.

    Or you can try this: wet the acrylic blanket, squeeze it almost dry - put it on the bottom of the crate - and put your plants on the top. Depending on the time you are going to be out - loosely drape it with dry cleaner plastic with some air holes..

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  • 8 years ago

    If ambient humidity is increased, the plants won't suffer in a drier mix...so you could just bag them for a week or so.

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  • 8 years ago

    Cotton towel will be OK for a short time. If kept wet long - it will start getting moldy.

    I find that leaves do better if they are not absolutely wet - and have a crack in a cover to breath,

    I never used Espoma fertilizer. You need to fertilize 2 trays side by side with different fertilizers before you decide what works for you.

    You can pasteurize your soil in your oven - prewet your soil - get the temperature to 185F, cover the tray with a foil and enjoy the fragrance for 2 hours.

    Fish emulsion has nitrogen, Epsom salt - magnesium sulfate. So the way how it works is different - magnesium is an element necessary for the production of chlorophyll. Start with something - and if it doesn't work - use the other method. Or do both at once = no conflict there.

    Epsom salt is sold in every pharmacy - it is used for the soaking of the sore feet or the whole body if necessary. Works really well. Can be used as a laxative - I think a teaspoon per glass of water will make your bowels squeaky clean... just try to make it to the bathroom fast enough... very bitter to taste.,

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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Espoma 1-3-1 should be ok, I have used their AV soil mix previously. Use on a few plants at first to see how it works in your conditions. Moreover, I have used fish emulsion outdoors and it can be very odiferous and messy. Great on vegetable gardens. Watering can required several rinses.

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  • 8 years ago

    Epsom salts can produce results in a reasonable amount of time usually. Organic fertilizers tend to work slowly and steadily. Not much chance for burning roots unless you use uncomposted manure! Only a handful of roses outdoors, so I am not as experienced with them. Fish emulsion in the morning should OK for fertilizing roses following label directions. My favorite one is an unnamed dark pink antique variety. Very fragrant with a sweet and spicy scent; blooms once a year around May. Fades to lighter pink and then petals come apart. Grows on its own roots and is quite vigorous.

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  • 8 years ago

    It is still too early for our roses - we actually got a load of snow damped on us last night. But if early in a spring rose leaves look pale - it can be chlorosis - and it can be treated with iron supplement. I think it specific to the alkaline soil.

    What you can do outside with fish emulsion... is different from inside. You need to lower the dose for inside. If you top water your AV with a weak solution - and discard the water that ran out - you are OK. Standing fish emulsion solution - in reservoirs - will make a house to smell like a fish gut dump.

    Sounds like a rootstock = Dr.Huey. Climber or a vigorous bush, blooms once a year all over the place here - where the grafted roses were planted and the top died out.


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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I don't believe it is a normal rootstock. I have seen many hybrid teas die off before (in KY due to wet, cold winters) and had the rootstock take over. The rootstocks didn't smell as good as the antique rose, were more red than magenta and had significantly fewer petals. They also bloomed more than once. The unnamed antique rose was dug up decades ago on a farm at the ruins of an old house.

  • 8 years ago

    An antique hardy rose