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8 years ago
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There is an unused area away from my rose garden where I'm planning a cutting garden. There is room for up to 24 roses in addition to perennials.

Vase life, stem length and fragrance are what I'm hoping for. Hybrid teas don't do well here, but I don't mind pampering a few. Floribundas and shrubs preferred. Modern or remontant OGRs - doesn't matter. Color doesn't matter.

Any suggestions?

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  • 8 years ago

    My very best cut roses are: Evelyn, Leonardo devincci, veterans honor, Vincent Gosdiff , PJPII, Moonstone, & wedding bells.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked SoFL Rose z10
  • 8 years ago

    OIympiad is an excellent cutting rose with a beautiful color and form. It doesn't have a scent, but it's still great.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Streisand Fan
  • 8 years ago

    I should have added that I rarely cut roses for the house in the past, so I have no idea about vase life, etc. I love both Evelyn and Leo - have them in my rose garden. Pretty sure I'll at least put an Evelyn in the cutting garden.

    Olympiad is an oldie but goodie. A classic red rose. PJPII seems to be loved by everyone. I was just looking at Moonstone and Wedding Bells this afternoon. Really drawn to those two.

    Princess Charlene de Monaco is waiting to be picked up in April. She looks like a good cutting rose in photos.

    Funny, all these are Hybrid Teas except for the Evelyn and Leo.

  • 8 years ago
    I have many tea roses in my cut garden. Many of those are from Kordes.
    Here is a link to recommended roses for cutting.
    https://www.kordes-rosen.com/garden-roses/specific-situation/for-vases/?p=3
    If you dont mind color go for disease resistance. In that way ADR
    roses are your best choice. Since you will put roses close to each other there willbemore chance for them to catch some blackspot.
    As for me i have Graffin Diana, limona and souvenir de baben baden.
    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked bernik
  • 8 years ago

    My best cutting rose is Veterans' Honor. Lasts forever both on and off the bush.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked seil zone 6b MI
  • 8 years ago

    You might want to think about Moonstone. It's is very tender in my zone. Barely stays alive every year. If it dies, I won't replace. Let Freedom Ring is a great cut rose. Louise Estes, Mavrik, White Success, Munstead Wood, L.D. Braithwaite, Hannah Gordon. These all make great cut flowers for me. If you like big bouquets, you probably will need 2 or 3 of each variety. I like 12/15 of one variety. And when things get skimpy I'll mix them.


    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Ken Wilkinson
  • 8 years ago

    Abe Darby, Gertrude Jekyll, and Munstead Wood are good for cutting (and very fragrant). I am growing some Guillot Generosa roses for cutting, since I have read great things about their vase life. So far I adore the fragrance of Sonia Rykiel, and am hoping that Paul Bocuse and Versigny do well for me -- but I'm not sure yet. If you don't already have Sonia Rykiel and acquire her, I'd suggest growing her in a large pot to start, since she has a sort of weeping habit.

    Since you will have a large cutting garden at your home, you don't need to worry about vase life so much. If the roses fade within a couple of days, you can just replace them. That is the ultimate luxury!

    Consider also looking to plant varied bloom forms and sizes -- singles, semi-doubles, sprays: that will give you options for arranging bouquets of mixed roses. Consider Perle d'Or and Marie Pavie for your cutting garden, to add different sizes and textures. If you have space for climbers in the cutting garden, Eden makes a stunning (though scentless) bouquet when it blooms in a huge flush (twice per year for me so far) and it lasts well in a vase. I have read that Lady Hillingdon makes a decent cut flower as well, and she has the benefit of fragrance. (If I knew then what I know now, I would have put Lady Hillingdon where my Eden is currently located, but that is personal preference). What a fun project! I hope you post pictures of your bouquets!

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked K S
  • 8 years ago

    Hm. I just realized you are zone 5 -- so scratch Lady Hillingdon. I'm not sure you can do Perle d'Or either?

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked K S
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    Flowers,

    If you have room, the climber Lady Ashe, IMHO a climbing hybrid tea, produces 4" heavily petaled, fragrant blooms, whose petals are so thick and durable, they seem to be made of polycarbonate plastic.

    This incredible climber, once established, will produce mostly single, and sometimes 2-3 blooms on 2' laterals, perfect for cutting. It is a blooming machine for me, no let up, and winter hardy to its tips at maturity, with very little die back as a 1-3 yr. youngster. Hardiness in roses definitely improves with age. I wish humans did so!

    The blooms start out looking like the classic exhibition hybrid tea form, are high, like a tripple layer cake, and then quartered when fully open.

    They last a very long time on the bush, so I suppose they will last even longer in the vase. I do not regularly cut blooms for inside enjoyment so I cannot guarantee exactly how Lady Ashe will last in a vase.

    Chamblee's has it for $11.95.

    While on the subject of Lady Ashe, which has its origins from Aloha, give Aloha consideration, too. It is famous for its long bloom life. I do not grow Aloha, but not far from me a public garden had several bushes of it, and they always impressed me for their obvious vigor and bold flowers.

    Moses

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & warm/humid S z6
  • 8 years ago

    The old Kordes floribunda Lava Glow (Lavaglut) is outstanding in the vase. I love the raspberry color and scent of Grande Dame; it nods a bit which to me adds to its charm.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked barbarag_happy
  • 8 years ago

    Moses, can one grow LA as a free-standing shrub? I'm clearing out my "back forty" thicket and am so amazed at the great sun it receives I'm thinking of using it to plant cutting roses and others I've just wanted.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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    Flowers,

    One other thing...

    I can attest to Evelyn's durability in bloom, both in the garden or in a vase. It is the only Austin I know of which has this desirable trait. Its weak, slinky like stems are another thing, terrible. How such an elegant, durable bloom can come on a scrawny craft wire like stem mystifies me. I pitched mine after 5 yrs., but may one day try it again, but definitely grafted, not own root, which in my cold zone it may need that kick from a vigorous root system.

    If you get Evelyn, may I suggest a grafted one. My disappointing Evelyn, in growth habit only, was own root. You know, when I dug it up the other week, there were three plants intertwined. I go it from Chamblee's way back. Maybe the three plants of Evelyn struggled, one against the other, and that is why it was so spindly, but boy did my Evelyn(s), put out the flowers, and nice sized, too. Too bad.

    Moses

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & warm/humid S z6
  • 8 years ago

    I was going to say Valencia...but I looked it up on Dave's Garden...and it's zone 7. So it probably won't be good for you. I have no other ideas...but I am interested in everyone's idea.

    Carol

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked rosecanadian
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    Vaporvac,

    I bet it can, but as a stand alone bush with lawn all around it. not in a bed. I also bet it will need a ton of room, probably an 8' diameter circle, and grow much like a large, natural arching forsythia....very beautifully. Once established you just walk around it dead heading it as needed.

    The canes are very long, grow up then arch with the tip possibly touching the ground, growing without support. I imagine a 3-4' height, and 8' across, a beaver lodge shape.

    Moses

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & warm/humid S z6
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    Thank you, Moses. I'm clearing out the thicket from my "back forty" which includes a 150' stone retaining wall that stands almost 5' tall. I'm thinking to plant it there and let some of it cascade over the wall. It's at least 25' deep so there's plenty of space. I'm aso thinking of planting it as the base of the wall and grow its canes into the light. the wall itself is shaded so the flowers would rest along the edge. Hmmmm. If not, I have another area adjacent on an incline where I've been thinking of plant cutting roses. It could go there. I need to restrain myself, but I love Aloha and really want to try LA.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 8 years ago

    Vaporvac

    Lady Ashe impressed me from the day it went into the ground as a gallon from Chamblee's. It just grew, and grew. I cannot say it is black spot proof, but it gets sprayed by me, and doesn't seem to get spotty quickly when I slack off spraying.

    It got established pretty quickly, faster than the Westerlands which were nowhere near the vigor, flower production, winter hardiness, and disease resistance of Lady Ashe. To me, Westerland's blooms looked worn out the day they opened, blousy and unappealing. When both of them died to the ground over a relatively mild winter, they convinced me to get them out.

    Lady Ashe, right next to them, just kept getting bigger and better.

    Moses

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & warm/humid S z6
  • 8 years ago

    Belinda’s Dream, a shrub is great in bouquets. Also, a very fragrant Sunsprite (Friesia) and Poseidon which are both available on multiflora should be hardy in your zone. Poseidon’s lavender color adds such a nice touch to mixed bouquets.



    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Sara-Ann Z6B OK
  • 8 years ago

    Don Juan trooper-keeps on flowering. no photo i have ever taken comes close to the rich, velvety texture and the garnet coloring of this rose. BS -gets it but doesn't bother it. Flowers last a long long time, even with high heat we can get in Ric.

    ,Sunsprite- floriferous, beautiful sunny yellow with a slight fragrance. prone to BS. Blooms don't last very long.

    , Tiffany-Love the shade of pink. Also floriferous, with large blooms.

    , Elizabeth- 4-5 inch blooms. great for cut flower.

    ,perfumed delight. Wonderful cut flower and it truly has a deligtful fragrance. Longlasting flower. plant grows straight and tall. I only planted this last year.

    Rio samba-No fragrance, but bloomed continously and so many flowers on one branch. All a glorious blend of yellow& reds. Got BS but did not affect this blooming machine.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked purilisaVA-zone7B
  • 8 years ago

    I bought lady ashe on moses's recommendation, bare root from Chamblees. I cannot be more thankful. She has been amazing, and perhaps the most vigorous rose I have ever seen. She went from a tiny rooted cutting to a 4x6 bush in a year and a half, bloomed continuously, and with incredibly stong fragrance. I cannot recommend this rose enough.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked ebharvey1
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    I knew a guy , Tom, who kinda spoil us at work. He always bring roses for us and replenish often. It last forever in vases.

    Always Moonstone, Peace, PJP 2, and one red ( Lincoln, I think ) which I am not sure. He moved elsewhere . Great cut roses. And those roses have always been on my mind. I will get them someday soon.

    Jin

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  • 8 years ago

    Gardeners are the nicest, most generous people on the planet. I am so grateful for all the suggestions. Many of them are HT's and I will include a few because they're worth the extra trouble. Disease is not much of a problem in this dry climate. As per Ken's suggestion, I agree more than one of each is best for cutting purposes.

    Rebecca, you make me want to do all soft pastels. I remember your front planter filled with Johann Strauss. I have one in my rose garden, and plan to put it in my cutting garden, too.

    K S, I planted Sonia Rykiel, Versigny and Paul Bocuse in my main rose garden last year and am totally smitten with all three. Versigny outdid itself in growth and blooms which lasted on the bush longer than any other rose I have.

    Moses, you sold me on Lady Ashe. Carol at Northland loves that rose and she will be glad I finally see the light. Had to laugh at polycarbonate plastic petals. I know what you mean about Evelyn's spindly canes. I have one own root and one grafted. The grafted one is stronger.

    Purilisa, those reds like Don Juan are impossible for me to photo, too. Love that one, but have been told he's not hardy here.

    The HT's I'm thinking about are:

    Moonstone if it weren't for z7b, Souvenir de Baden Baden, Rouge Royale, Princess Charlene de Monaco, Louise Estes (new to me, but wow!), Lady Ashe for the arbor or as a free standing focal point.

    The floribunda/shrub types:

    Evelyn, Johann Strauss, Versigny, Paul Bocuse, Sonia Rykiel, Poseidon, LOVE Belinda's Dream - but zone 7.

    Thank you everyone! You've opened my eyes to roses I had not thought of. This is a good start and really all I need if I buy more than one of each. Might add more lavender/purple.

    The photos help tremendously - thank you Ken and Rebecca.

  • 8 years ago

    Flowers Belinda’s Dream will grow for you, I grow her here. And Belinda’s Blush. Take a look at Beverly, Sister Emmanuel, Melody Perfume, Princess Alexandra of Kent, Dark Desire, Olivia Rose Austin - fragrant and good for cutting, and will grow in Z5 :)

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland
  • 8 years ago

    Flowers, Mr. Moses worked his charms regarding ‘Lady Ashe’, on me as well! He managed to enable quite a few of us, and without pictures, I might add! I’m very happy with mine! You know how much I like ‘Princess Charlene de Monaco’ for cutting. Evelyn, Abe Darby, and Darcey Bussell are my good DA’s for cutting. I’m thrilled to see Rebecca’s ‘Perdita’, as I have a young one here. I’m going to give it afternoon shade, in hopes the blooms will last. Bolero is very good, although sometimes the stems can be a bit short. It blooms constantly, though. Another one that I really love now that it’s mature, is ‘Joan Fontaine’. You don’t hear too much about this one, but it’s a good one! Looks like an Austin, but has better longevity in the heat. It’s a creamy white color. Lisa

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Lisa Adams
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    Dingo, all wonderful suggestions! I just checked to see if Northland (same zone) sells Belinda's Dream and Beverly and she does, so they will grow here! I'm familiar with all your suggestions except for Belinda's Blush, which I have just taken a look at - it's a beauty. Dark Desire didn't make it through her first winter here, but might have with protection. I agree, great cutting rose. I was already planning to add Sister Emmanuel to my RU order - great minds.....

    Lisa, I have Bolero cuttings coming from a friend, but it might go in my other garden. Love your photos of Joan Fontaine. I was thinking about it at one time, so will check it out again. I keep hearing about Perdita, so it must be a good one!

    You are so right, Lisa. Moses doesn't need photos. He paints beautiful pictures with words. Lady Ashe is waiting for me at Northland.

    Who am I kidding. I can't limit varieties in order to have more than one of each. I love them all too much. And, I'm going to have to get over my fear of hybrid teas.

  • 8 years ago

    Hi flowersaremusic, if you're looking for dark pinks, I highly recommend 2 David Austin roses - Young Lycidas and Princess Alexandra of Kent. They both really surprised me with their vase life, lasting at least a week before elegantly dropping richly scented petals (as opposed to wilting and dying on the stem). I love the colour of YL - deep magenta pink with silvery purple overtones, older flowers fading to slate. And huge! PAOK is also really big in the flower, but more rich pink with orange/pink tones in the centre and fades to pale lilac pink. Wasn't impressed with YL growth in the first year, as it was spindly and weak looking, and as a result kind of turned my nose up and ignored him. Following a year of neglect, no feeding or spraying, he amazingly built up a better plant structure and threw out these gorgeous flowers. The bigger ones hang on the thin branches so are better to pick and enjoy inside. Both roses don't take up too much space, but produce a lot of bloom which is awesome. Both produce single stems (some quite long) and multi-stemmed flowers.


    Young Lycidas



    Young Lycidas - this bloom was as big as my hand..



    Princess Alexandra of Kent


    PAOK single stem


    PAOK bush (first year)

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Kazlinda
  • 8 years ago

    Lazlinda, thank you for the reminder about these two winning roses from Austin. I have both in my other garden, and they are favorites. Young Lycidas was new last year, but grew and bloomed a lot. I kept tossing banana peels under him and the potassium helped with the floppy canes. I love that color! PAoK is older and produces huge blooms that smell divine. She does have nice long stems. Yours is a much better shaped bush than mine, which has some upright canes and some horizontal canes. I might be able to correct that with a good pruning.

    Thank you so much for sharing your photos of these two favorite Austins. The backlit closeup of Young Lycidas, 2nd photo, is extra special.

  • 8 years ago

    I'd love to know how you pruned PAOK to get that rounded bush shape, did you prune quite low?

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked lenarufus
  • 8 years ago

    Kazlinda - oh my!!! Those were utterly gorgeous!!! Oh drool and swoon!! I wish I were there to smell them!


    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked rosecanadian
  • 8 years ago

    I'm with lenarufus and need a PAoK pruning lesson.

  • 8 years ago

    I'm in zone 5b Chicagoland and my best cutting rose for long lasting with fragrance is Peter Mayle

    Peter is a Romantica Rose from Star roses. He grows tall narrow and tolerates part shade in my garden. Intense fragrance really long vase life.


    I'll also highly recommend Bella' Roma

    Long, strong stems, good vase life, intense fragrance.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Al Mitchell zone 5b (ameri2nal)
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    Al, Peter Mayle was on my list whether for my cutting garden or other rose garden, but I see Northland is already sold out. I'm hoping she still has a few, possibly just not enough to list online. She has carried it for years. I'm thrilled to hear it's a good cutting rose. That photo is something!

    Bella Roma is new to me. I really like the rosy edge on the petals. Your photos are gorgeous.

  • 8 years ago

    Al - I love Peter Mayle too!! The fragrance is wonderful!!! Yours is gorgeous!!!! Wow! I've been wanting to get Bella Roma for a long time!!

    Carol

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked rosecanadian
  • 8 years ago

    I'm going to suggest Quiteness. Gorgeous light pink huge blooms that smell good too and last in a vase.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked boncrow66
  • 8 years ago

    Ahh, Quietness! What a magnificent rose. I have it in my main rose garden and it should be in my cutting garden as well. Again, Northland is sold out, but she will no doubt have more by summer. I rarely mail order since this nursery is so close. Quietness would be beautiful growing next to Peter Mayle. It's such a clear, unmuddied shade of pink, it really looks nice with any other color.

    This new area is becoming more and more real to me and I can visualize how these various roses will look. I wish I could do the whole thing at once, but it will be a process.


  • 8 years ago

    Sounds like I need to grow Quietness too.

    Rouge Royal is another good one for cutting. I try to cut every single bloom on this variety. For some reason, they don't always open well on the plant, and you can see that the foliage is sometimes challenged.

    When fully open the petals form interesting patterns and the bloom opens almost flat. The color is a little more purple than this pic shows. I need some better RR pictures, will do so in June. Just one flower will fill the room with perfume. Lasts long too, this is another Romantica.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Al Mitchell zone 5b (ameri2nal)
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    What about Parole (AKA Buxom Beauty)? Its blooms are huge and it's hardy to Z5.

    flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 8 years ago

    Al, I like that promising stage of your Rouge Royale just before fully opening. Love that center! It does ok here. Dry climate, may be the reason. I'm not crazy about all reds, so they have to be special to live amongst my pastels. I like the cupped form and blousy, flouncy centers as well as the strong perfume. I would love to see more photos of yours when it blooms. Reds are hard for me to photograph, but I have one that's pretty close to it's true color. Yes, this one should go in the cutting garden.


  • 8 years ago

    Vaporvac, I keep hearing about Parole, so it's definitely worth checking out. It looks like a good cutting rose. Everyone who has it seems to really like it.

  • 8 years ago

    flowersaremusic...

    Carol

  • 8 years ago

    I’m not surprised that you asked about shrubs and floribundas but the responses are mostly HTs. In my mind they are the best cutting roses, (Lowes is even trying to classify them as ‘cutting roses’ instead of HTs).

    Agree with Seil that nothing beats Veterans Honor. St Patrick for 2nd place. Also: Double Delight, Fragrant Cloud, Granada, Evelyn, Mohana, Melody Parfumee, MissAAB, Firefighter, PJPII.