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Dosing for Bayer Tree & Shrub Protect & Feed Granules

I am going to fight a thrip problem on Photinia with Bayer Tree & Shrub Protect & Feed Granules. My question is how to make sense of the dosing instructions. The instructions say that for *each foot* of the height of a shrub you should apply 3/4 of a cup of the Bayer granules. There are only about eight cups in the entire four-pound Bayer granule container. For a seven-foot shrub, to apply nearly five cups of granules to a single shrub seems just insane levels of overdosing.

What am I not understanding about this product. If I apply this per the instructions it will cost over $600 to buy the product, and there will be so much pesticide on the ground it might as well be used as a mulch. :) I am trying to protect about 33 Photinias in a hedge.

Since I care about the environment enough to want to minimize use of a pesticide, I would like some guidelines on the minimum useful dose for this product.

Comments (6)

  • 8 years ago

    Call the number on the label to see if they can offer any useful information.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7
  • 8 years ago

    protect and feed????


    skip the fert part.. and just solve your problem ...


    ken

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    From the UCDavis fact sheet on thrips: "Imidacloprid (Bayer Advanced Tree & Shrub Insect Control, Merit) commonly fails to provide satisfactory thrips control, and imidacloprid generally is not recommended for thrips."

    They suggest using a spray product that contains Spinosad: "Spinosad (Captain Jack’s Deadbug Brew, Green Light Lawn & Garden Spray with Spinosad 2, Monterey Garden Insect Spray) is generally more effective against thrips than the products above. Spinosad lasts 1 week or more and moves short distances into sprayed tissue (has translaminar activity) to reach thrips feeding in protected plant parts. Adding horticultural oil to the spray mix can increase its persistence within plant tissue. This insecticide is a fermentation product of a naturally occurring bacterium, and certain formulations are organically acceptable. Spinosad can be toxic to certain natural enemies (e.g., predatory mites, syrphid fly larvae) and bees when sprayed and for about 1 day afterward; do not apply spinosad to plants that are flowering."

    btw, 'the products above' were in reference to insecticidal soap and horticultural oils.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 8 years ago

    I don’t know if Photina is a plant whose flower are attractive to bees and other pollinators, but the main ingredient in this Bauer product., Imidacloprid, is one of the class of insecticides called neonicotinoids that is toxic to many pollinators such as bees, and since it stays in plant tissues for a long time, you will be poisoning any pollinators that come to your plants. There is also research that shows that insectictivorous bird populations decline some in areas with high levels of Imidacloprid. So if it isn’t the most effective on thrips and causes harm to the visitors to your garden, all the more reason to not use it.

    westes Zone 9b California SF Bay thanked NHBabs z4b-5a NH
  • 8 years ago

    @NHBabs I was aware of the issue with bees, so I waited for all flowers on the Photinia to die before starting this process. The thrips should be in full force around July so that gives me two months to get the insecticide absorbed.

    @Gardengal48 I had seen that caution, but I really did not want to do a spray. I'm not qualified to do it myself, and I really do not want to pay a professional $200 per spraying for several go-arounds. Some other vendor had tried this Bayer product on my Photinia last year and it seems to have partially resolved the issue. I wanted to give it one last try.