This is helpful! Thanks for bearing with me! This all jus sounds Japanese to me, but I’m following you now.

In the past year I have bought windows for house renovations and the owners paid the discounted price to the window supplier. The supplier is a dealer for Marvin and Andersen.

The windows configurations were all 6 panes over 1 pane with applied muntins and a spacer bar between the glass; jambs for 2x6 studs and lowE insulated glass.

I like wide windows and they are cheaper per s.f. of glass than narrower windows.

These are pretty large windows so you should adjust for the sizes and minor price increases this year.

1. Marvin Ultimate double-hung R.O. 42 1/4 x 56 ......................................$1,100

2. Andersen 400 Woodwright double-hung R.O. 42 1/4 x 56 ................ $855

3. Marvin Integrity fiberglass clad double-hung R.O. 42 3/4 x 64 3/.. .$700

4. Andersen 200 double-hung R.O. 40 x 66 .............................................$507

(No one bought the Andersen 200's; they were for comparison)

"It uses roll-formed aluminum cladding (sheet aluminum is wrapped tightly to the wood frame and sash) which puts it in the general category of Pella."

Roll form is a big non starter from my point of view and most pros. You will have an extrduded frame and a roll form sash (think soda can material). How long do you think they will remain the same color? How long do you think hat the roll form sash will keep out water. One of the biggest drawbacks to Pella clad is sash rot.

Another vote for Integrity fiberglass.

These are pretty large windows so you should adjust for the sizes and minor price increases this year.

Thanks for posting that, JDS!

We're in the midst of getting quotes on some pretty large windows... I believe casements tend to be even more expensive than double hung, but it is nice to see some frame of reference.

The prices are discounted but I don't know by how much. Casements are always more expensive than double-hungs.

@JDS - Do you have any experiences/thoughts about the MGM industries Southern Rose single hung series as compared to the Quaker Manchesters?

Not much discussion on the Southern Rose, mostly just found 1 thread with mostly negatives (https://www.houzz.com/discussions/mgm-southern-rose-windows-dsvw-vd~2632401?n=8).

My builder is suggesting swapping to the Southern Rose 8017's - I believe they are a double hung window and we'd be using the low e 366 glass.

Comparison of window offerings

http://www.mgmindustries.com/southern-rose-product-comparison.php

Main product page including cross section

http://www.mgmindustries.com/Southern-Rose/Windows/double-hung-8017_tabs.php

The main thing that I can tell is that the SR windows are made to look like a traditional clad window. So I think it maybe has more of the traditional look that @JDS was talking about upthread.

Problem is, can't seem to find many reviews. If anyone has thoughts, would love to hear them.

Yeah, bottom end builders grade, every window you have mentioned is a poor window. Bottom line.

Thanks for your feedback! Actually got some fantastic feedback on Quakers casement windows. They received the highest rating a window can receive from Ama. Their other windows may not be quality but their casement windows are based on additional research and feedback.

Sorry to resurrect an older thread. We were supposed to get the Quaker Manchesters, then the Southern Rose, but what ended up being ordered and installed due to manufacturing delays were Monarch's. It was actually a surprise.

http://www.monarchwindows.com/products/majestic-clad-double-hung

http://monarchwindows.com/sites/default/files/2018-04/brochure%20sections%20MAJESTIC%20CLAD%20DOUBLE%20HUNG%2018.pdf

Here's a picture I snapped of the specs

With the original windows, we were supposed to get aluminum clad outside and vinyl inside. Instead these are aluminum clad outside and wood inside. I like how they fill the opening more and won't need a cased return on the inside. They seem attractive from the outside too.

I know that they are builder grade windows, but I was curious what experts like @millworkman or @JDS thought?

It's a fairly dark window for that performance and spec (i.e. Low-e without grids). Air infiltration numbers aren't "great" but they aren't bad either. DP numbers are middle of the road.

If you like the look of them, that is good. I didn't read the whole thread. Where is the home again?

Why are you giving them carte blanche to order windows without you approval? Is this a new build? Developer or Tract type home? I apologize as I do not recall your particulars but I know you have posted about the construction prior.

Thanks for your feedback. We didn’t give them “carte blanche”...we were just looking for feedback from folks who may have used their windows. We’ve gotten some great feedback using other resources on different windows and have made our decision.

Sorry RL, that was more to Sam Groh's post not yours.

Sam, you may be better off starting your own thread.

No worries, just clarifying

we had 36 Quaker Brighton wood aluminium clad windows installed in our new home. over year ago they have been wonderful so far. most are 3x5 double hung historical look with muntins also three 3x5 casement windows. They looked better than Anderson eagles cheaper too

I'm following this thread with interest. We are pricing replacement windows for our 99 year old home and one dealer recommended Quaker Brighton series. (Interestingly, they're manufactured about 5 miles from where I grew up.) Anyway, @JDS, I appreciate all your research, but you noted in your post above that the aluminum cladding on the Brighton is roll formed. I am seeing on the website that it's actually extruded aluminum. http://3by03t46xrnnsktnv3y1th51.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/plugins/residential-catalog/uploads/Brighton%20DH%20SH-Booklet.pdf

I am not an expert - am I mis-reading the specs? Would love a second opinion...if the exterior is extruded then it looks like it is a decent product for the price. Thanks!

We had Quaker windows installed less than a year ago and we couldn't be more disappointed. They re extremely cheap, the windows and sliding doors we have never close right, and I'm not sure if it's from the heat we've had in Chicago but our screens seem to be warpping and do not fit correctly anymore. I wish our contractor let us pick the brand of windows because I would have never went with these. I'm so disappointed to say the least.

HU-727860597 what brand of Quaker?

I see that you have used @QuakerWindows in your custom homes projects. We have a custom home in Durham, NC with 13 windows that have failed. We are trying to determine if this is a fluke or a larger problem. Could you please let me know if you have had seal failure in any of the Quaker Windows you have used in your projects?

Thank you!
Nita Farahany
615-268-1859

13 seal failures should be in 95% of cases a bad batch of glass. I do not believe Quaker manufacturers there own IG units but either way IG units typically care a 10 year warranty for the glass from most all major glass fabricators. No labor for installation however. I would reach out to Quaker as that many and if under warranty should be an issue they will help you with. Of course you never know for sure.

Thanks! They are willing to replace the glass but we would be stuck with a huge labor charge.

That unfortunately is typical unless you can hound them enough that they give in, especially since it appears the glass may have been bad.

We've had Quaker windows for less than 4 years and have had significant issues. This was new construction and the Brighton windows. 3 have broken when latching them, the major picture window has failed and is cloudy now and the doors have never been quite right - they are hard to close and have gaps to the outside. Quaker has given a hard time because we do not have the original PO from the builder, but have agreed to replace glass (no labor included).

We're about to have all Quaker windows and sliding patio doors installed in our house, Brighton wood aluminum-clad. We know nothing about windows, it was our contractor who ordered those for us. The contractor did not let us have a say in what to order. Reading the feedback here makes me really nervous.

You should be! We have had so many failed windows!

J Gold - please search for my contact info and send me a message - if we band together we can engage the manufacturer to replace these. Have found a few other folks with failed seals as well.

R L, did you end up buying the Quaker Brighton casements? Found your post while doing my own research debating on purchasing the same and wondering if you have any feedback. Thanks!

I just had 3 replacement windows put in ! Pure junk ! The bugs are getting in under the screen. Cheap Cheap Cheap ! I have not paid yet . Not sure I am . They took my other windows . Can’t be without windows in Minn . I am Furious. JUNK

I have one casement . Junk . Have to push to side in the middle . Otherwise it comes off track . These are Junk ! Replacement windows ! My windows from 1978 were better

Hello...our builder uses Quaker and we are not sure based on the bad reviews if we want to use them. Does anyone have feedback regarding Gerkin or other window options they like for the Kansas City area? We had a a fabulous Andersen 400 slider in our Colorado home and the quality is top notch but our builder can get the Andersen option. Any feedback would be SO APRECIATED!

What other options are available to your builder as I would not use Quaker or Gerkin in my home. What can't your builder get Andersen out of curiosity (not that I am recommending them or not recommending them)?

Are the casement windows from Quaker the ones that crank out? As you can tell, I di not know windows!

Millworkman our builder uses Quaker. We are getting a quote for Marvin but I think it will be quite expensive but we'll see. Thoughts on why no to Gerkin?

Crank out windows would be casement if from the side (like a door) or awning if from the bottom. What series Marvin? Even their Essentials line will be better than Quaker or Gerkin. Gerkin is just another average at best builder grade vinyl product from what I know.

Got it. Looking at Marvin Essentials..

Milworkmen what about Pella 350? If we have to go vinyl for cost, looks like Pella, Milgard, plygem and Simonton are all rated pretty good.

Nothing Pella is rated good in my opinion (and most pro's) so I would cross that and the Plygems off any list. Of those I would choose the Milgard as the Simonton while a decent window is known to be a bit bulky frame wise.

Do not get Quaker. They dont even meet code with the county inspector. itsbthe glass rating. Dont keep heat out or cold . i repeat dont buy . junk . I have to put plastic over mine . pure Junk ! I am going to replace them . They are for ghettos .

Just finished building a house in St. Louis City and used a Quaker commercial-grade windows and doors. Very disappointing. Many of the casement windows would not open/close, and when Jason from Quaker came out to look at them, one of them broke when he tried to open it! Took about 2 months for them to come back out, replace the broken window and fix the others. The system should have allowed for easy installation of windows next to and above doors, but in fact our builders could not figure out how to do that, and Jason was no help. They ended up basically stick-building the interfaces. Cost us a huge amount extra in our carpenter's time. Other issues as well. Bottom line -- don't go with Quaker.

I have a rule. I dont install windows that are made by an oatmeal company.

I purchased Quaker windows for my lake home. The quality and service from Quaker has been terrible. 5 windows had to be replaced, a huge picture window lost its seal. Glass was pocked and scratched. Cranks and latches all but one window actually worked. Quaker rep Paul did admit that the post Covid training and quality control was terrible. Getting them to follow through and ship the replacement glass has been a nightmare. I did reach out to the CEO of which did nothing but get Paul to respond with more broken promises and lip service. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND Quaker windows. I wish we would have stuck with Andersen Windows. IF you do buy these windows, do a complete quality control inspection of every window while the delivery person is there. Make them wait! I would not trust Quaker the company or the window ever again .

" Quaker rep Paul did admit that the post Covid training and quality control was terrible. "

Was not much better prior to the whole Covid fiasco.

Do not go with Quaker, poor quality. we have had a nightmare with our doirs and windows. Doors were not square. hinges are no good. sent windows with missing pieces which we are still waiting on. sent 5 representatives to look at our doors, didnt fix the one door and left that to my contractor to fix ( which i was paying). poor customer service and dont back up their product. Dont go with Quaker!!!

Super disappointed with Quaker - especially given the cost. Had a terrible experience with their doors, they wouldn’t latch or lock. Had to put cement bags against doors to keep them shut. Trouble with all three sliders. They admitted that they were poorly manufactured. They knew this before we even ordered them yet sent the doors anyway. Took 8 months to get the sliders working and they pretty much used baling wire and duct tape. So we will see what the winter brings and if the wind tunnels are closed. Their regional sales director was incredibly condescending when dealing with us. Save yourself the headaches and don’t buy anything from Quaker.

Susan Henry are you still happy with your Quaker Brightons 5 years later?

Just got quoted $3600 for manchester slider with blinds. Seems every company’s sliders has mediocre reviews on home depot and lowes including Andersen $5000 door. not sure which way to turn

I would start a new post vs jumping on a 6 year old post.