try this series of threads

this one right here

You did at least one of the grow outs. Have any bloomed (pics).

Checked out your food posts think I will try the cheese sticks and Pane Bianco

Thanks the pics help. To much was going on during and after the grow outs. I wanted to try to start seeds, never had luck, I will have to look at ko's seeds. I don't have nice double flowers even on grafted. I will only start a few when I decide. I didn't see to many singles on ko's Ebay.