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8 years ago

We have recently sold our home and in staging it we set up a wine display room...which was a big hit and the feed back was that visitors like it and indeed were a bit envious. However, the buyers want the wine racks we used for the staging because they say that as the wine racks were secured to the wall for earthquake-protection, they are no longer considered free-standing. Are there any realtors out there who have an opinion or, better yet, experience with this situation. Thanks.




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  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Absolutely it stays. The wine room sold the house for you.


    Also - post this in Buying and Selling a house. Active realtors post there.

    raytucker thanked User
  • 8 years ago
    One of our realtors used the following rule to determine what stays with the house when selling - “If you need a tool to remove it, it stays”.
    raytucker thanked edenchild
  • 8 years ago

    Where we live, if it's attached to the walls it's included with the house, unless it's disclosed as part of the listing that it is excluded and there are arrangements made to remove it and repair the wall before closing.

    raytucker thanked spiritflower
  • 8 years ago

    What is the law where you are? Re-reading your contract would be a good idea.

    raytucker thanked apple_pie_order
  • 8 years ago

    The wine racks stay, but take the wine with you. And I’d guess that the view sold the house!

    raytucker thanked flopsycat1
  • 8 years ago

    ^^^Same here!

  • 8 years ago

    Why would you not leave that room intact? It helped you sell it! As a potential buyer, I would certainly expect it to remain as it was when I saw it (with the wine removed, perhaps). But as to the racks and fixtures, if I were you, I would consider them a cost of the sale.

    Would you have a use for them elsewhere?

    raytucker thanked tackykat
  • 8 years ago

    we have all of our dressers and booksheves secured to the walls (because we have small children). Would you just assume that those items would stay? I would negotiate a price to include the wine racks. They are not "built in" just secured.

    raytucker thanked Cyndy
  • 8 years ago

    I've seen listings where people claim plants in the yard for goodness sake. I guess the problem is that you needed to disclose that the racks were not part of the sale.

    raytucker thanked sheloveslayouts
  • 8 years ago

    In California many "free-standing" items are secured to the wall due to earthquakes. Also people secure to the wall due to tipping hazard if someone (a child) climbs the furniture. And sometimes sellers do not include certain chandeliers, etc. That said, the sales contract should specify whats included. The buyers can negotiate to include additional items. What was the cost for all the wine storage and island?

    raytucker thanked suzyq53
  • 8 years ago

    This post is perfect for the Buying and Selling forum - lots of very smart people there.

    raytucker thanked User
  • 8 years ago

    Kim Q: Thanks for your feedback. The room was originally storage under a deck. We added the glass shown in the photos and have used it variously as a gym and an office. The buyers intend to use it as an office. And, No, it is not worth killing anything over, particularly the sale :)


    jn3344: The wine room was just one of many areas that we 'staged' and the buyers intend to use it as an office. So while it may have contributed to the over-all 'feel' of the house, the wine room did not sell the house for us. It was the architectural heritage of the main house and its location that sold the house for us. And, Yes, it stays for the reason above :)

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you [jn3344 &patriceny] for the suggestion to post the question in Buying and Selling a house.


    suzyq53 Thanks for your feed back. The cost is relatively small...the racks cost about $400 each and there are seven of them. It is the entitlement expressed by the buyers that is rankling me and so I thought I would ask a broad, thoughtful and experienced audience what they thought :)


    suzyq52, benjesbride & spiritflower Yes indeed, we should have disclosed that the wine racks were not on the table [so to speak] :)


    flopsycat1, Karen & tackycat Yes the wine goes, hence the lament for the wine racks :)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    some buyers need to score points off of the seller so they don't feel taken.. its their personality be glad you arent married to them. the mansion section of the wsj has an occasional feature where realtors report the craziest things buyers insisted conveyed with the purchase... including the family dog!

    i'd say let them score their point in this relatively easy way. and this way you dont have to remove the racks or repair the damage. win/win.

    raytucker thanked Judy Mishkin
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you ninigret. I am rationalizing the situation to try to achieve the goal you recommend :) I will certainly explore the wsj for the mansion section...it might make me feel a little less aggrieved :)

  • 8 years ago

    Buyers do crazy things. I showed up at my house about a week before closing to find the buyer, her agent, and the buyers ex-husband electrician making changes to the electrical panel! Unbelievable. I called my agent. Furious and ready to break contract. She did a great job of talking me down. The house closed without a hitch just a few days after that.

    raytucker thanked sheloveslayouts
  • 8 years ago

    You could flip it on its head and offer to buy them back from the new owners:

    "I was wondering, since you intend to use this as an office and so many wine racks will probably be in your way, would you consider selling a couple to us? We can offer you $200 each."

    That way you don't kill the sale by digging in your heels (which you seem disinclined to do anyway), they get to "win" the debate as you've acknowledged their ownership, you've saved a bit on the replacement cost ($200 vs $400), and just maybe they will be jarred into seeing how silly they are being and give in. Maybe.

    raytucker thanked miss lindsey (She/Her)
  • 8 years ago

    If it makes you feel any better, our last buyers wanted a number of furniture items we had purchased specifically for the house. Nice stuff and some custom pieces too. They wanted to see the invoices for the stuff, which we provided. They then proceeded to low ball every single item. Ugh!

    raytucker thanked suzyq53
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    yeah, all of the over entitled crazy people you see at the supermarket with 20 items in their cart in the 8 items line (i can count, even tho you are trying to ignore me on your phone) buy houses and act crazy and entitled while doing so. be glad you arent them.

    raytucker thanked Judy Mishkin
  • 8 years ago

    Just my personal opinion ... I would leave the racks & move on. All those windows & view would sell me. Beautiful!

    raytucker thanked K Laurence
  • 8 years ago

    To Cyndy [and anyone selling a house]: As advised I re-posted the question on the "Buying and Selling Houses" forum...the unanimous opinion was that unless you specifically disclose an item it conveys with the house...


    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/whats-your-take-dsvw-vd~5431613