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Lintel vs. Jack Arch, Window Grid Style, and Eave Returns

8 years ago

We are finalizing the exterior for a new build and are making some decisions about the elevation. A front and left side view of the elevation are shown below. We're struggling over three final decisions:

  1. Lintels vs Jack Arch: We had initially planned on doing jack arches above the windows on the brick portion of the house. However, we had a bit of a struggle keeping all of the windows in a line (with the transom of the front door) so lintels were added. We would prefer to go back to jack arches, and it wouldn't be a problem for the windows under the porch. However, the windows on the wings of the house have an awkward bit of brick between their top and the trim without a lintel. Does anyone have any suggestions?
  2. Window grid style: We plan to do wood windows with aluminum or fiberglass cladding for the exterior and simulated divided lights. The windows will likely be double hung. Should we stick with the grid style as drawn, or should we go to a colonial style grid?
  3. Eave Returns: I abhor "pork chop" eave returns and kept them off the elevation. However, should we change to the "poor man's eave return" shown here http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2013/12/13/eave-returns-interpreting-gyhr-details/

Thanks for any advice!



Comments (13)

  • PRO
    8 years ago



    I'd consider a gable roof over the small garage door so you are not looking at a gable end from the front.


    I had this image handy, so don't read anything into it, just notice how the porch roof joins the house. It hits the wall, not the roof, and something similar might work on your house. As is, your porch roof seems a bit like an afterthought, or maybe not the right style for your house.





    The tops of your windows seem a bit hidden under the eaves. Raising the eave height might help.


    The dormers, especially the center one, seem poorly proportioned in relation to the rest of the house.


    A perspective view like I show above would help visualize the house far better than elevations.

  • 8 years ago

    The inspiration for the elevation was a combination of the following two elevations, but with brick instead of lap siding due to HOA covenants. I think I see that you are leaning toward the one where the porch meets a wall instead of the roof. Or, do you just think the porch needs to be raised and meeting the roof is fine? Just raising the porch a bit seems like a much smaller change. Thanks!




  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Raised eave on right side.




  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Well. I can't answer your question, but I am following because I love your house and you referenced my favorite source on eave returns. Oh wait I do have an opinion: I like the 2/2 windows. Don't forget to update us when all is said and done. Good luck!

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks greenfish1234 for the compliments on the house! The opinions on windows are very helpful! PPF, I just realized an issue that hinders your suggestion. We are required to have a 12/12 roof pitch by HOA covenant. So if we raise the height of a wall we also have to raise the peak of the roof.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Sometimes you need to be creative with your roof. It might be possible to use a lower pitch on the back side. This lowers the ridge and pushes it forward.




  • PRO
    8 years ago

    And raising the front wall does not raise the ridge an equal amount.


    Here I've raised the wall 36", and the ridge height increases 18".





  • 8 years ago

    PPF, I'm looking at our roof plan (shown below) and I think we have the lower pitch roof hidden in the back like you are talking about already. I think the trickery will come in moving the point where the 4:12 roof hits the 12:12 roof. There might be limits there to not change ceiling height on the second floor. However, I see how we could raise the eave and not have to raise the ridge of the roof as much. Thanks!


  • 8 years ago

    Also, PPF, you commented earlier that you think the dormers are out of proportion with the rest of the house. Is it the depth or width of the dormers that you feel creates the proportionality issue?

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    You really need a perspective view to see the house as it will look built. Very difficult to visualize looking at elevations.


    Is your designer unable to provide this?


    I've posted this image on other threads, but it shows an elevation and a perspective of the same structure.




  • 8 years ago

    I agree that an isometric view would be useful and would help with visualization. However, no, our designer doesn't do 3D. He only does elevations.

  • 8 years ago

    PPF, I realized that I could do at least a basic 3D drawing myself. So, I drew up the center portion of the house with the dormers. I don't see what you are talking about on the proportions of the dormers. They look fine to me in the drawing below.