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Some clarification regarding shovel-pruning

Hello all, thanks to the wonderful suggestions of this forum I have some wonderful roses either ordered or potted for the garage for next spring: Ascot, Paul Bocuse, Koko Loco, Twilight Zone. William Morris, Le Rose de Molinard, The Fawn, and Pompon Veranda. Now, to make room for some of these beauties I think I will need to move and also shovel-prune a couple roses. (Specifically Tranquility. It just seems dirty to me.) I see people talking about this frequently on the forum, and I was under the impression. That I had to wait some time before planting a rose in another’s place. Is that true? What do you all do when you move roses around and replace them? Do you just pot them up for a year or two, or is there something I can do to avoid issues? I am such an impulse buyer, when I first purchased roses at the beginning of this year, I just had no idea what was out there, and am finding myself gravitating more towards roses that are good for cutting. (I’m always happy to take suggestions in that area as well! Thank you all so very much!

Comments (21)

  • 8 years ago

    I move things around all the time

    I think not planting in a previous spot may be if the removed rose was diseased.

    It sounds like you have some cool roses.

  • 8 years ago

    Rachel, there is a “rose replant “ disease in Europe I believe but we don’t have that here . I pull out and replace roses with no trouble. As long as the area is suitable for roses (well drained , full sun ) just keep on planting till ya like what you have ! :)

  • 8 years ago

    Well if I didn't plant another rose where I took out a rose I wouldn't have any roses at all! Most of the old books said not to replant a rose where a previous one had failed. I take that to mean diseased but it could also mean to take a minute and think why that rose failed. Sometimes its a light/moisture factor. Most of my roses fail because of lack of winter hardiness so I just replant using the same soil, maybe a little amendment. If I'm not sure what exactly the problem was but it wasn't disease I may sometimes switch the soil with some from my vegetable gardens. Oooh, I would love to have Tranquility! Is it just this year that it looks 'dirty'? Maybe because of all the rain?

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you Kristine and Lilyfinch! That makes me so happy! I have lots of blank space in our yard, but due to neighbors’ trees the suitable rose spots are limited. (Until I bribe my husband to assist me in making new beds next year, that is). The blooms are lovely, but I’m not sure that my Pearly Gates is in the best spot either, as it’s definitely in a spot proving to be more wet than others. Not sure if it’s worth the replant, or perhaps replace with Quietness. Lilyfinch, did your Wedgwood ever take off? Mine finally did, and it’s doing really well! The blooms are so pretty when they fully open, almost like a mandala. I wasn’t expecting that. It’s more tolerant of rain than I would expect, as well. I will definitely have to support it next year though, as it’s trailing the ground currently...
  • 8 years ago
    Ikayet, Tranquillity(I believe I misspelled earlier-I’m talking about the Austin one not Heirloom’s) has been healthy, but the blooms have this light tan speckled with dark brown sometimes towards the center, depending on how they open. To me, this looks like the dirtiness left by Japanese beetles when the little demons are eating a bloom. That being said, if you would like it, I would be happy to ship it to you when I dig it up this spring. I’m not sure of the proper procedure for that, as I’ve never done it, but I would much rather it go to someone who will appreciate him the way he deserves.
  • 8 years ago

    Rachel , my wedgewood hasn’t taken off yet :( which is so odd as all my other roses are huge ! I need to check on it again. And I totally abgree about David Austins tranquility. It is almost a grey white .. not warm and lovely . Do you have crocus ?!!’ Oh my gosh do I love that rose !!

  • 8 years ago
    I don’t yet! For whatever reason it never really showed up in my initial DA searches. It is a much better shade of creamy buff! I’m a sucker for those softer shades in neat rosette form...how large did it get for you?
  • 8 years ago
    Of course I’m also really I trigger by cram veranda, and might need to add it to my Palatine order...ugh I have a problem.
  • 8 years ago
    *tempted by Cream Veranda. My auto-correct is the absolute worst sometimes.
  • 8 years ago

    Rachel, I don't know if it is because my cream veranda is in a pot but it hardly bloomed at all this year I may have to rethink its location. Quietness on the other hand has taken off it was in a pot and now it has a great home in the ex home of Savannah that didn't do well but quietness is beautiful I highly recommend that rose

  • 8 years ago
    Thank you Kristine. I have heard nothing but positive things about Quietness. I’m hoping she will be a nice substitute for Francis Meilland as well, which I want terribly but don’t think will do very well in my Zone. Was your Cream Veranda own-root or grafted? I have read some mixed reviews on her, I’m wondering what the key is that she seems either very prolific, or just somewhat “meh”...
  • 8 years ago

    My Cream Veranda is on multi flora from Palatine.

    When she blooms they are beautiful but I have had hardly any blooms this year. Maybe she doesnt like her pot.

  • 8 years ago
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    Just FYI, my Quietness is the worst rose out of all my roses. It completely defoliates and hardly ever blooms whether in a pot or now in the ground. The other roses with whom she shares a bed are doing great. I'm going to move it to one of the best spots I have and see if she improves.

  • 8 years ago

    I'm thrilled when I can plant a new rose in an old rose hole. That means I don't have to get out the pick axe to dig another hole in this hard, rocky clay. I do shovel out most of the old soil and refresh it with fresh compost and rose food before putting it back into the hole. The young fella who sometimes digs holes for me told me last week he couldn't dig a hole where I wanted one because the fence builders had poured their left over cement there. Upon further inspection, there was no cement. My soil is that hard.

    Lilyfinch, your Cream Veranda is what I'm hoping for next year. It is coming out of the urn it has been in for 3 years and going in the ground. I think it will be happier.

    Vaporvac, I think you were sold a dud. There have been no other negative reviews of Quietness that I have seen. If it's own root, try another one grafted, or vice versa and from another vendor. My own root band took off so quickly, it looks like a 3 or 4 year old bush in it's first year. I bought another one for a prominent spot.

  • 8 years ago

    Rachel - thank you for the offer of Tranquility! I don't know how to contact you directly without posting my email. Don't know if you use Facebook or Flickr? I've sent volunteer rooted suckers from my OGRs to people on this forum years ago but there was a way to contact them directly then. How close are you to the Ohio River?

  • 8 years ago
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    Yep, my Cream Veranda needs to get out if it's pot. I want mine to look like Lilyfinches. When mine blooms it is beautiful , it just hasnt much this season .

    Vap, that is so weird about your Quietness. Maybe a dud

  • 8 years ago

    It is strange especially as it was a two gallon from ARE and everything else from there is great. It's been this way from the beginning although she did perk up when I put her in the ground earlier this season. Beautiful blooms, but only a few. Now she is just sticks, but we have high BS pressure.

  • 8 years ago
    Oh LilyFinch, as usual, your roses are lovely! I think I will email Palatine and see if I can add on a Cream Veranda, and then double check my local nursery’s Austin offerings this spring as well :) Flowers, I definitely relate to the rocky soil and enlisting help. We keep finding these bizarre chunks of cement or even huge rocks in our yard. We have wetlands nearby, so we are clay that gets very heavy when wet...I’m just going to keep experimenting and trying, and figuring out what works, and heavily amending with compost and bagged soil each time I plant. (Oh, and thanks to this forum, I’ve learned that I have the dreaded Rose midge too. I’m undaunted, though. Maybe try raised beds next year, too. I believe that Hortico has Quietness barefoot, so I might try from there first. Next spring. I would imagine it’s too late to put anything in the ground in my area? Ikayet, you can just FB message me if you would like, Rachel Plahovinsak. I’m in Columbus, so around 2 hours from the Ohio river, as the crow flies ;)
  • 8 years ago

    Oh my gosh I just saw this y’all , I’m so sorry I wasn’t clear. My photo is of crocus rose . I was suggesting that over tranquility. Yikes ! Sorry about that !!

  • 8 years ago
    Oh, wow, LilyFinch! I had no idea it was that pretty! This is one that the Austin promo photos definitely do not do justice.