I do beleive its sedum adolphii, but without the fancy color...

It looks more like Sedum 'Golden Glow' to me due to the sharp point at the end of the leaf, I think S. adolphi has a more blunt end point.

I agree 100%. It's what I thought as soon I saw it.

Oh wow! Those get a BEAUTIFUL color!!! Was mine just green because of lack of sun? Also, thanks everyone! :)

Most likely. Full sun and stressed by longer intervals between watering for best colour. If you live in area gets larger fluctuation of temperature in the fall, they tend show you even a different. Temp changes like -1 to 20c or 28 to 70f. I'm not sure how much frost adolphi can take. You will have to look that up. I do not believe you have a cultivar, like 'Golden Glow', just the straight species. Which is nice enough

According to ICN, Sedum 'Golden Glow' is not a cultivar of S. adolphi, they think it is a Sedum hybrid. I have both, they definitely look different to me.

That only represents one group's views. In fact, while the hybrid part is entirely plausible,

they have not presented the plants parentage. Even if you call it international, that opinion represents that groups version.

Ever heard of aloe officnialis?

On a side note, i do believe the pointy plant you are referring to is called Sedum nussbaumerianum

Stefan,

That's fine, we all have different opinions. It doesn't bother me, but I would rather take ICN's view more than other sites, as they do do research into identities of succulents, not just giving out any info without any backups, and if they don't know, they say it.

So, Stefan you have changed your mind. If you are making that call based on how lax it is in the picture, it would appear you are correct. Unless he had it in lots of shade.

Speaking of group's views, some botanist believe S. nussbaumerianum should be included in adolphii. In my opinion when it comes to something this minute a sub-species or cultivar is the best route. Avoid creating additional species as well as Genus as much as possible. If they overlap in territory and interbreed they are probably just Sub-sp. They split hairs on something, where in the case of Dog & Wolves, they still exist as the same species. Transient Orcas & Resident Orca, they hunt and eat different prey. Where one is a pescetarian, while the other tends to eat only Mammals. They never interbreed. They have developed completely different languages. But, botanist seems very willing to change classifications on a whim.

Sorry, had a moment.

How do I get answers to the questions I post? We have created 10 post on identifying a dead sedum, but I can get a response to potting a Mimicry plant. I'm a newbie, maybe I'm not posting correctly? or no one know what I don't know.

I just took a photo of the leaves from my S. adolphi (yellow leaf on the left) and S. 'Golden Glow' (green leaf on the right) just to show the difference at the tip of the leaves.

Well, you have them mixed up.Left one is sedum nussbaumerianum. I can tell from the apparent red edge on the side.....

Well, I admit I can't tell the difference between S. adolphi and S. nussbaumerianum, I have seen very similar plants id-ed as either S. adolphi and S. nussbaumerianum. I don't want to argue anymore, let's just agree to disagree.

I can sympathize, Frank! I am limited in where I can purchase succulents. Most nurseries sell tropicals, with some Aloe and Agave plants thrown in. So I make most of my purchases at big box stores - Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart. The vendors who supply these stores are not reliable at labeling the plants.

I do believe these are Sedum nussbaumerianum. (with Graptosedum California) The leaves seem to be chunkier than adolphi. I lost them one cold, wet winter - unusual for my part of Florida.

A bit closer look - (no idea why I circled that one inflo)

And all of these plants were packaged S. adophi. Clearly, the green plants on the left look different. Odd the way the stress of sun and dry weather is impacting them differently.

I, too, spent several years calling S. nussbaumerianum, S. adophi. It was a lot easier to type! But I've always felt they look quite different.

Mostly - I call them all my "yellow Sedums." LOL

Crenda,

Those are beautiful Sedums you've got there! Yes, trying to id plants is like fighting through a jungle of mis-information, LOL.

My S. adolphi looks very much like the one in your last photo... The cutting on the left is gown outside, and the one in pot on the right is grown indoor all year round on a east facing window.

My Sedum 'Golden Glow ' in hanging basket outside is very dehydrated at the moment, and full of spider webs. I haven't given it any water all through winter, so I do not want to take photo of it. But this was what it looked like when I bought it.

That last one looks so much like my plant!!!

Hello All,

Google knows we are having this discussion, as soon as I typed sed... um adolphii vs nussbaumerianum.

I cherish everyone sharing facts, opinions, links.... Thanks Frank for the link you posted. It is a site I have used often, but often forget about. (I still fully figured inserting someone's name, so they see it).

I have two post I am going to make. Both are nothing more than observations. These plants were labelled by the pro-growers. The one is local, sells quite a bit to garden centres. I also buy from him. I often find growers that have been doing this for a long time, fail to keep up with changes botanist have made genus, species, ssp.,..... Especially if they are not really linked into the internet.

These two pictures are of two plant leaves I took this morning from my collection. Both came from that local grower. I took a couple under slightly different conditions. I could not get the colours to come across correctly at first.

Labelled

Left; Sedum aldophii 'Firestorm'

Right; Sedum aldophii

This is why I gave daxeek the name aldophii. His picture on top look exactly like mine on the right. It looks very green in real life. I have not been able to get any colour out of it. Not full sun, nor grow lights that work on many other plants. That was why I thought it was not 'Golden Glow'

Left; Sedum aldophii 'Firestorm' Right; Sedum aldophii

I went to the local garden centre this morning as well, our normal weekend activity, not a special trip for these photos;

Same growers;

First photo labelled nussbaumerianum

This one aldophi

Next two pictures did not come from that growers, but did come from two different growers

Leaves are completely different;

1st - convex and more rounded at end of the leaf, looks like a typical sedum leaf

First labelled - Sedum adolphii 'Coppertone'

The next labelled just Sedum 'Coppertone'

Sorry, the first is in this picture as well, back right quadrant

2nd - concave, skinny, pointy.

It looks like all the pictures online of Sedum nussbaumerianum Coppertone Stonecrop or 'Coppertone' Is it a common name or a cultivar?

I think I might be more confused than ever before or more aware.

My Firestorm looks like the same species as Coppertone.

My adolphii it does look like pictures of a plant called by the common name as Golden Sedum & also labelled as a cultivar 'Golden Glow'. Except for the link of Frank's most tend to call it Sedum adolphii. I do think the people that write for that international group are amazingly talented and intelligent, but for now,

I will continue to identify daxeek plants as well as my own, adolphii .

I will be changing my Firestorm to nussbaumerianum

This is just my opinion. Take it or leave it, it doesn't matter as long as we keep line and minds open to new thoughts and other people's opinions.

Cheers,

GCSolutions,

Completely agreed with what you said about growers not keeping up to date with changes in names. That's why I always refer back to ICN for confirmation, and if need be, change the obsolete name to the current one for the plant I bought.

Just to confuse you more, on the 'Sedum Photos' site, both Sedum adolphi (photo 1, photo 2) and Sedum 'Golden Glow' (photo 1, photo 2) are shown, but no Sedum nussbaumerianum. If you keep your eyes open, the name tag in the pot of S. 'Golden Glow', is S. adolphi! Obviously they have decided that the current accepted name of that plant is now S. 'Golden Glow'.

Also San Marcos Growers have some explanations of the confusion over the names of S. adolphi/S. nussbaumerianum, and that S. nussbaumerianum was given the marketing name Coppertone by Magic Growers Nursery of Altadena, CA in 2002.

Just gone through files I've kept from the old ICN archive which is no longer available online, but manage to retrieve it from Way Back Machine, interesting read for anyone who is interested...

Read This.

Another article in flickr worth reading.

Thank you Frank. I love reading information like this. I helps keep a perspective.

Photos;

The photo links reminds me of a wholesale nursery that changed hands. The new owner, who did not have the expertise enough to being buying this at one time to be the best wholesaler in BC. She did not even have enough knowledge to hire the best staff, but she was going to bring the nursery into the modern age with a website. The previous owners were pen and paper type, but it did not matter, when you did not need to see the product to know you were getting the best there was. So, she hired a tech person to put together the website. A tech person to do all the data entry about the plants, etc... To have to do the research necessary to be able to properly identify plant or even know what a genus even refers to. It was horrible. You would have flaws as you showed. The name would be on the plant in the picture.

Article;

Sorry, not a succulent, but similar case.

I feel the same to be said about Rhododendron 'Rosa Mundi' & 'Christmas Cheer'. The names have been intertwined for too long to be able to properly identify one from another. Though, some 'expert' believe they can, they can not go back and fix all the misidentified plants. Either through ignorance, just mixing up shipments or just using the name of one when the grower stock is low on the other. At this point, the average grower is unable definitely say their Rosa Mundi is not a Christmas Cheer.

Sign Off;

I love San Marcos sign off. It is one I try to emulate as much as possible. This is based on my observation and experience. Do with it, what you please.

Oh wow- I wish I had stumbled across this post a couple of months ago when I was trying to find the most yellow succulent for my "rainbow" succulent bowl that my daughter and i were/are still creating:) Here's my 2 cents (mainly based on the succulents that i have bought from altman plants): The golden sedum adolphii and the sedum nussbaumerian look very, very similar in terms of shape of leaves (from altman plants anyway). The difference (to me) is mainly only in color with the first being more golden yellow and the second being more copper/orangey. They also sell a sedum adolphii golden glow that is different in shape (tops of leaves are flatter with sharper edges). I don't like it as much because it is much harder to get it to turn yellow!! I'm with you Frank in that i don't think the golden glow should be classified as an adolphii because the shape of the leaves is so different! It almost seems to me that the golden sedum adolphii and the sedum nussbaumeranian should be classified as two different colors of the same type of sedum. That's my 2 cents way after the fact:)