Which ever you like the Spec,s on both are quality built . Dealer support and pricing might be the deal breaker ! Addendum : Checked the Ybravo further on the spec,s Kevlar belt drive and 2 speed tranny . YOU MAY Want to check out the lawn site forum , great thread on the Ybravo mowers compared to Toro and Emark ! P.S. The 21" models are on sale looks like a solid Performer with Quality Features Bud !

Yes, you’re reading my mind on comparison shopping. Im just feeling like either the dealer or I am getting jerked around regarding the particular Toro model I wanted to see... just not sure which. Anyway, I’m leaning towards the Ybravo now. I did read some threads on another forum regarding the Y 21, but I wasn’t sure if it was the 1st version or the Gen II they were talking about. I definitely want the Gen II. Thanks for the info on the 21s. I didn’t know they were on sale. Was that on a dealer’s website? I’m not finding much on prices. All I‘ve seen is a “starting at” price, nothing specific. Ybravo used to have prices on their website a couple years ago, but not seeing them now. They do kinda take the best from the others to make their own. The Y borrows from Snapper’s 14 gauge hi-vac steel deck with the rolled lip edge. They also offer a plastic mulch liner (for the 21 ” deck only) that has a couple kickers molded into it like Toro has. The tranny sounds pretty bulletproof too. Not really familiar with the Kevlar belt‘s advantages though. Speaking of belts, that’s another reason I’m not going with the 25. An extra belt to replace, besides extra cost, and I simply dont need a mower that big. Hope to go to the dealer tomorrow. Their website states they’ve been in business 30 years. We’ll see!

Hey Bud , the Zone start Model 610 is listed as $949.00 . Same model primarily with BBC $1250 .00 both with the Kawi Kai . that's $150-250 less than what I paid for my Toro . As far as Kevlar it is 5 times stronger than Steel . Have Kevlar belts on my Harley and Polaris Snowmobile . 50'000 miles on a belt on my bike and 5 yrs so far on my snowmobile zero issues Bud !

Hey thanks for the lesson on Kevlar belts. I never thought about the belts on motorcycles or snow mobiles being kevlar. Bullet proof vests is about all I could think of. They should hold up well to the extra friction of slipping or feathering to control ground speed on a lawn mower too. $300 more for BBC seems a little steep, but I like it enough to go with it. The dealer is closed for the holiday today.

Let us know how they seem in person , when time permits Bud !

Will do.