Double check J&K. Chinese?

Am very happy with my Shiloh cabinets.

If looking for RTA, consider IKEA.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/any-reviews-of-j-and-k-cabinetry-dsvw-vd~2581263

Express ignore the rude comments. I don't think your post was spam at all. It was just information specifically

asked for by the OP.

It's totally acceptable for a Pro to answer an OP's question relevant question. The OP asked about J&K Cabinets & you gave them relevant information, so the OP can make an informed decision. They even posted info on other cabinet lines.

Shame on anyone calling that spam.

It was an answer to a question with facts.

Certainly not, spam, but your comments of blaming a Pro of spam when it is not spam, may be considered harassment which is against Houzz ethics.

Pros have just a much right to post a comment relevant to a question.

There are different levels/types of Shiloh cabinets. Shiloh are nice as long as you get the higher level ones. They have some lesser quality ones I would avoid.

Definitely avoid the any type of thermafoil ones, they are known to peel & can not be repainted years later.

This is an example of thermafoil peeling, don't know the manfacturer of these, but we're constantly replacing these.

J&K cabinets are just as nice. They only come at 1 level/ type which is equal to the quality of Shioh highest level.

I would chose between those 2 or Thomasville. I would get quotes, inspect the quality in a showroom then pick your favorite.

My family has been in the construction business for over 30 years. We have made custom, used Thomasville, & J&K. Clients are satisfied then & still years later.Imho, good choices you're considering.

In general, many contractors have moved a lot to using high quality RTA cabinets due to technological machinery advances & time saved.

A lot of custom, is building framing then ordering pieces & parts from factory manufacturers then piecing togeather.

A true custom where the cabinet maker are chiseling, carving, routering, well that's rare, very expensive & used more in fine furniture. plus, it takes a long time to get.

artistsharonva thank you so much for taking the trouble to explain things and the pictures. very helpful

mdln thank you for the notes and the link. that was an interesting read

live_wire_oak, express thank you

greendesigns thanks

Sherlann, thank you for the thank yous :)

You've listed several good choices. You're on the right path on cabinet choices.

Like to hear what you choose later & why.

Wishing you lots of success with your project.

thanks Artistsharonva. We decided to go with J&k. Spoke to a couple of contractors who also said quality is similar to Shiloh but Shiloh pricing is higher. Was very tempted to consider Ikea. read great reviews from those who love it and their 25year limited warranty is neat but decided against it. thank you again for the input.

Made in China, assembled in US.

"Jobs. The most common reason shoppers give for buying American is to help save or create jobs in the United States. According to a 2015 report from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) the U.S. lost a total of 5.7 million manufacturing jobs between 1998 and 2013 – partly because of the Great Recession, but mostly because of trade imbalances with foreign nations like China and Mexico.

Lower Carbon Footprint. Products made overseas have a higher carbon footprint than U.S.-made goods. Goods made in China or India have to be shipped all the way across the ocean to reach American stores, burning fossil fuel and spewing out greenhouse gases with every mile they travel.

Less Pollution. One reason it’s cheaper to make goods in developing countries is that many of them have few or no regulations to protect the health of the air and water. Many factories overseas that produce goods for export to the United States also produce large amounts of hazardous chemicals that pollute the air, water, and soil. A 2014 paper by a team of Chinese researchers, published in the Journal of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded that the U.S. has effectively “outsourced” much of its air pollution to China, where more than 33% of sulfur dioxide emissions and around 25% of nitrogen oxides and carbon monoxide come from the production of goods for export.

Human Rights. In addition to having weaker environmental regulations, the countries that produce the goods Americans buy often have no laws to protect the rights of workers. A 2015 report from the Institute for Global Labour and Human Rights documents how Chinese workers who produce toys for American brands such as Hasbro, Mattel, and Disney work 12- to 13-hour days and sleep on plywood bunk beds in crowded, dirty, and freezing dormitories. An earlier report from 2006 uncovered child labor at a factory in Bangladesh that produced clothing sold by Walmart and JCPenney. Conditions in these foreign sweatshops can even turn deadly, as in the 2013 collapse of a garment factory in Bangladesh that killed more than 1,000 employees.

Health. The lack of environmental and safety regulations overseas doesn’t just put foreign workers at risk – it can also threaten the health of American consumers. In 2007, dozens of types of children’s toys made in China were recalled because they were unsafe. Some posed a choking hazard, while others contained dangerous chemicals like lead paint and kerosene, according to The New York Times.

A Stronger Economy. Buying American-made goods doesn’t just support the workers who make those goods. Its benefits also ripple out through the entire economy. When American factories prosper, they hire American construction firms to expand their buildings, American accounting firms to handle their money, and American energy suppliers to provide them with power. The EPI estimates that every U.S. manufacturing job supports an additional 1.4 jobs in other parts of the economy."

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Just come right out and say that you don't care about quality, and that price is all you care about. Just like any other person trying to flip a house. You can not even remotely compare the two in quality.

I would never choose cabinets made in China over Shiloh cabinets! If I couldn't afford the Shiloh, I'd use Ikea.

This is an old post...things have changed: J&K, with the chinese tariffs, is now not that much less than American stock/entry level cabinets. Aspect Cabinetry is Shiloh's entry level and I now sell more of that the J&K. More options, more finishes, more customization and a better warranty. Get an estimate on Aspect Group A poplar door in partial overlay. I love the Bayou stained finish on Poplar. Makes a gorgeous kitchen.

I am familiar with the regular Shiloh cabinets and their Eclipse line; no experience with Aspect.

I used Shiloh uppers - full-inset, no upcharge. Lowers are all Eclipse frameless cabinets (I wanted every inch of space possible). I can see no difference between the quality of either. Mine are painted and 3 years later, I could not be happier.

Hi Anglophilia! Yes, I know your kitchen very well as I've always admired it. Your kitchen inspired me to finally install a display, like your kitchen which is the BEST of BOTH worlds! Frameless lowers for easy cleaning and BIGGER drawers. Inset uppers for a less bulky look. It's my favorite combo and I am doing more and more of this now that we have it on display. I've had a few people say, "I'm way too OCD to do that!". I guess I need to change their thinking that this is the perfect combination for OCD people. hahahaha. Our new display isn't finished yet, but we used TFL (thermally fused laminate) "Laurel" on the bases and Repose Gray painted inset on the uppers. I'll try to post a picture of it.

For those that used J&K how are they holding up?

I have sold J&K in the past. Haven't sold them much since the tariffs increased the prices so much. But we sold them for years and I have yet to get a callback on any of the thousands of cabinets we've sold. I still sell them a bit when people need cabinets FAST. Just be careful with clearances. Their full overlay is a LOT tighter than most American brand cabinets.

Like I said above, Aspect by Shiloh is a good option. So is Medallion cabinetry's Silver series. With Medallions current promotion, it's even better pricing than Aspect. And they use better hardware...Blum full extension, all soft close,..doors and drawers.

For our new home, we have purchased Shiloh cabinetry from both their premium line, and their Aspect line. Both use the Blum soft close hardware.

Let me clarify, Aspect's standard guides are Blum, but they are not full extension...but close enough. Standard is the Blum Edge guide that extend 7/8". You have to pay a bit more for the full extension and it is available as an upgrade. Silverline standard is soft close, full extension.

My rep highly recommends the upgrade as they have had some issues with the Blum Edge.

Ah, yes. Thank you for reminding me. We did pay a little extra and got the fully extended glides for the bathrooms and bar area that are Aspect.

Our kitchen cabinets (Premium Inset) will come with the extended glides.

We had extended drawers with our KraftMaid cabinets in our previous home. Loved them, and will never go back.

@The Kitchen Place... am I reading correctly that you like the quality of Shiloh Eclipse? Is that considered above or below the Aspect line? Also, I saw a post saying avoid thermofoil (not necessarily from Esclipse) as it peels. Have you had that experience with Eclipse thermofoil? Have you used it anywhere successfully?

Thank you!

@The Kitchen Place... I said thermofoil above... I meant TFL!

From what I understand, there are 3 components of Shiloh:

Shiloh is best. A very good quality mid priced cabinetry.

Aspect is an entry level to Shiloh... a step below in quality.

Eclipse is a frameless cabinet for those that prefer greater access into their cabinets. I am not sure if they are Shiloh quality or Aspect quality.

You can read about all three on Shiloh's website.

"Get an estimate on Aspect Group A poplar door in partial overlay. I love the Bayou stained finish on Poplar. Makes a gorgeous kitchen."

The Kitchen Place - You mentioned a poplar cabinet with Bayou stain. That's what we are getting for our mud room bar area. It will have a Mocha glaze. Do you have photos to show? All I have seen is a tiny door sample. I am getting anxious about how they will look. Thank you!

Aspect is their entry level cabinet. Regular Shiloh is framed and better quality than Aspect. Eclipse is frameless and also better quality than Aspect.

teacher, TFL is a great price point in material in Eclipse. I have sold quite a bit of it and have it on display in my showroom. I have yet to hear about any peeling.

nhb, Bayou is a great taupey warm gray stain. I've never done it with a glaze but I do have pics of a small galley kitchen I did. We did the Heritage door in a PARTIAL OVERLAY, not FULL. Countertops are Viatera Quartz, color "Aria". Belcastel hardware in aged iron by Jeffrey Alexander. And I believe the backsplash is Daltile Biscuit Gloss.

Here it is: Shiloh ASPECT series Heritage bayou partial overlay w/ slab drawers.

Thank you so much.

I remember it being a bit more brown than a Taupe, but perhaps the Mocha glaze causes it to lean that way. I sure hope so! We are going with a standard overlay in the Oxford style door and full extension Oxford shaped drawers.

The brick pavers that I have picked out for the bar area has more of a brownish red tone to it.

Here it is, but I believe we are going with a grout that is more in the white/greige family.

Mock-up with your cabinets. Do you think it will look OK together?

I think the photographs I posted on houzz looks way more gray than it is in reality. You're right, it is a brownish stain that lends to a warm gray.

I held up my door sample to my monitor....it looked good!

Of course, colors can be weird. I'll post pics again...but keep in mind, they don't replicate it exactly.

In my pics above, they show more brown than in real life....but my clients kitchen pics (way above) looked more gray than they are in reality. I think it will all go fine!!!!

Haha...I was going to say that your sample looked more like a brown stained cabinet. I just remember the Bayou being a neat different color.

I found this in my files. I think that is the Bayou, but not positive. I've circled what we are using. Changed most all cabinetry to the Oxford style. I believe that the laundry room is still Heritage style and we have gone with stained Urban...almost a light blue color.

Thank you so much for the photos and help!

Its funny how things photograph and look NOTHING like they do in reality. The Bayou is a brownish gray, to me. Here is another photo I just took next to the Cherry Carob door which is a very nice brown color. These doors are a bit darker in real life....this was taken under LED lighting.

Is this better?

And that was not the Bayou in the cabinet collection that I posted above. I remembered that it was a more rustic cabinet choice.

Yes....that looks closer to real life!

I am actually going to go get the sample panels for all of my cabinetry on Monday. The bar sample looks like what you posted, but does not have the glaze on it. I will take photos this time!!!

Thanks for helping me! To the OP, sorry that I hijacked your thread. 😏

Sherylann what cabinet did you end up purchasing?