Common height is anywhere between 36-48" for just a shower controlled diverter.

You have a shower now, yes? Is it comfortable? Most place a shower head at about 72 inches. Always pull the resrictor out of the head, hate to say that, but DO IT. Stand in there is my advice, and put your hand out for a placement of handheld. Kids grow too fast to even worry on that, and once placed? You;re done. They'll be fine under a hand held.

GN builders. thx. So, if we're doing a diverter and a valve on top of each other we'll see if we can keep one at the bottom of that height and one at the top and if I feel like we need a bit of room in between then we'll bump them out a bit. I also am not sure how high the shower pan will be and communication with the tile guy hasn't been clear about things like that, so I'll ask him when I see him in person. If anyone knows how high off the floor the finished surface of a shower floor typically is pls let me know. Can it vary by a lot?. thx!

Jan, great advice. When u say "pull the restrictor out of the head" do u mean the water restrictor that causes pressure since I like stronger pressure and when u say "hate to say that" is that cuz it voids warranty and uses more water? thx!

Yes, that is exactly what I mean. It voids nothing, just allows better flow, and ticks off the environmentalists and the Federal Government. Hopefully, none will be IN your shower with you : )

Jan, thx for sharing. I read that it voids the warranty and called Delta and they confirmed. I had it in my mind that I'd see how it goes and take it out if it didn't seem like I'd break it if the pressure was really lacking. I live in the desert so I definitely appreciate when people try to conserve water because in places like here and CA there is not enough water, so I will see...

In many of the new shower heads, you cannot remove any thing. And the flow restriction is now built in to the valve itself.

The height of the shower head is not critical.

Your sweater says "dry clean only" .................yet you wash by hand and nothing happens .

Personally, I like an elephant wash force. Better that in a ten minute shower, than running it for thirty/forty minutes under damn "raindrop' force. lol I feel the same way about toilets but let us not go there.

the delta water efficient heads give us a really clean. nice shower in 3 to 5 minutes. none of my showers run over 2 gpm. i have a variety of hand helds and fixed. in three showers.
id recommend a diverter, a fixed shoeethead at 6 ft or more, and a hand held mounted on a speakman ada bar. it looks great, adjustable for you and the kids, and as they grow, you move the handheld up...
the speakman bar doubles as a grab bar. as you age. or even, now. who hasn't slipped, at least a little, in the tub or shower?
Several of my guests, at varying heights, have commented on how much they live using the handheld on the slide of the speakman bar... I think that showerhead runs at about 1 gpm.... dont remember the brand. earth something.
modern shower heads give you a great experience, without a lot of gpm...

I'm installing a Hansgrohe Croma 220 showerpipe in my bathroom. The instructions include suggested dimensions for an installation for a 6' tall person. The height of the centerline of the valve is 39-3/8" and the height of the center of the showerhead is 82-7/8". The Hansgrohe Showerpipe 360 showerpipe has the centerline of the valve at 43-1/4" and the center of the showerhead at 82-5/8". The holder for the Showerpipe 360's handheld is a few inches above the valve. Hope the linked diagrams help.

You need to ask a plumber in your area. There are building codes for the placement of certain plumbing fixtures.

Oliviag/ bring back Sophie I decided on a handhower without the ada bar since the ada bar i was looking at in our price range didn't have the harder pressure, which I opted for since I'll use it mostly to clean the shower and harder pressure seems like it'd be better for that, although I want to be gentle to my tile, someone at a shower fixture store mentioned that. I was also wondering how busy the small tub-size shower would feel with the ada bar. I like the look in other showers and now u've got me considering it, again. :)

Lawrence, I didn't even think to read the recommendations in the box! That's a great idea since different heads are different sizes...

kimromen

I personally like the bar idea - it provides adjustable height and provides a grab bar without looking like it

Guideline 10 — Tub / Shower Controls

Guideline 11 — Tub / Shower Control Valves

From <http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/bath.design.rules.htm>

Kimromen, you can use any handheld you like on the speakman grab/ slidebar. and, its not expensive. a little over $100 online in chrome.

I have that speakman bar.....and loveLOVE it! Not least because it does NOT look like a safety bar. It's just...handsome. It's mounted to the side as I step into the shower....and has already been helpful for balance a couple times. Also have a rated safety bar as a towel bar at the back of shower.....which also does NOT look like what it is. (And don't forget the blocking that needs to go behind these items.)

Jake/WonderDog...you said something that needed to be said. Good for you.

Well. Sorry but.

"According to the government’s own water usage statistic, domestic use constitutes only 1 percent of the total, and that includes all the water we use on our lawns."

“Federal
regulations mandate that new shower head flow rates can’t exceed more
than 2.5 gallons per minute (gpm) at a water pressure of 80 pounds per
square inch (psi).”

"Together with other regulations concerning water pressure, your shower could fall to as low as 1.5 gallons per minute"

Thus: To my mind, you can enjoy a luxurious seven minute shower.........clean and rinsed. Or you can stand under a SPRINKLE.........for a half an hour. Should you have that luxury called time.

Or the policeman of bodily functions that include water, shall come to your home and yank you and your greasy conditioned hair right out. Be careful how much water is in that pasta pot. That'll be next.

Meanwhile, the only folks having fun, making money off this stuff? The lawyers in Washington, being paid fortunes to interpret the Library of Congress sized compilation of rules and regs. Talk about being sold a bill of goods..........

JAN MOYER

I'm really not interested in you rationalizing your uninformed views. It's irresponsible, unprofessional and unethical to promote flouting code. It's not about your hair - or what you want in a shower -- or your politics. It's really not about you at all.

And just to clarify your misstatement: Based on your link, Domestic Water in California in 2015 was 14% of the water usage, not 1% as you stated (public supply 13% + private supply 1%)

Again, you are not considering the local issues. As noted in those same maps, Californian and Texas have huge water draws. Parts of the Central Valley in Cal have sunk 30 feet because of over drawing the aquifer there. The folks in California - through their elected officials and democratic processes --have an energy code that calls for 1.8 gpm in a shower.

They have very serious water problems in the South and West. I trust that they have thought through their own water issues far more thoroughly than you have.