Software
Houzz Logo Print
kdenton1

Trane-Final Decision Help/Suggestions

7 years ago

I'm replacing a 21 year Trane system that is beyond reasonable repair dollars for bad compressor. Thanks to many of discussions in this forum I think I am pretty solid in my decision to stay with Trane. I have a couple of configurations that I think would be considered my final two that I would like to run by the experts here for input. I'm dealing with a very solid Trane dealer and my job requires no new duct work. We live in Tennessee.


1) Straight Air 18 SEER XV18 AC---4TTV8048A1000B

XC 80 Gas Furnace---TUD2C1080ACV42A

Indoor Coil--4TXCC007DS3HCA

Communicating Control--TCONT850AC52UA

$10,700 with 10 years Labor


2)Straight Air 17 SEER XR17 A/C 2 stage---4TTR7048A1000C

XV80 Gas Furnace---TUD2C070A9V4VB

Indoor Coil--4TXCC009DS3HCA

WIFI Control--TCONT824AS52DA

$9000 with 10 years Labor


Basically, if I've narrowed down to a couple of good choices I would like to know overall thoughts and if the additional $1700 is well spent. This is for the main living area of my home which is around 2000 sq/ft with some high ceilings. I have 2 other older units, one for downstairs rec. room and the other is located in attic and is for upstairs (4 bedrooms).


Thanks!

Comments (16)

  • 7 years ago

    Both are great systems....I see nothing about a filter media cabinet which I recommend. The more expensive system is fully communicating, the second less expensive not. Unless you have deep pockets and money is not important, then go for first. Otherwise, the second system is just fine, save the dough and take a nice vacation.


    IMO

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks Tigerdunes! The Trane dealer said the Aprilaire media cabinet on old system was still fine for the new installation. I've been using the the Honeywell RP2200 media filter in past which keeps me from having to install within the Aprilaire plastic casing that slides in. I'm not sure if there are better options for replacement media.


    Did pricing sound decent to you?

  • 7 years ago

    4 tons of AC (the 048 in the number) seems like a lot for a 2000 sq foot ground floor with a second story above. Where are you located, what's the construction like? Was a proper load calculation done?

  • 7 years ago

    I'm located in Tennessee. Yes, load calcs were done both 20 years ago and again recently. They are coming in at 3.5-4 Ton range. 800 plus feet of this main level is 18 foot ceilings.


  • 7 years ago

    Is this model number TUD2C070A9V4VB correct? Should it be TUD2C080A9V4VB? A 80K BTU furnace seems large for your location. I looked at the AHRI directory but it seems there is no 60K furnace available for this condenser.

    The first system is rated for 18 SEER, the second is rated 16.5 - 17. Both system have EER ratings of 12.5 - 13. You are not going to see much of a operating savings between the two especially during periods of 90+ degrees.

  • 7 years ago

    Is the 18 foot ceiling area open to the second story? Any high returns or ceiling fans?

    It still seems like too much. What is the size of the existing equipment, does it run without stopping for long spells on warm days?

  • 7 years ago

    Existing equipment is 20 year old 4 ton Trane. Gas Furnace part number I believe is TXC049C4HPB1 and AC is XE1000. The high returns in ceiling are fed from another system for our top level of home and currently one ceiling fan. I can't comment on running "too much"...it could have been but didn't really pick up on it.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    No, the opposite kdenton. The "too much" comment was my reaction to the sizing. On hot days, a properly sized AC unit should run close to nonstop. When units are oversized for the space they serve, they cool too fast and cycle on and off. Longer runs allow more humidity to be removed from the indoor air and smaller equipment is more efficient to run.

    If you have high returns in the 18 foot ceiling area that feed the upstairs unit, then that area isn't the job of your downstairs unit and the high ceilings may not be a consideration for downstairs sizing.

    I'm a fellow homeowner, not an HVAC pro, but I've become a reasonably educated consumer over the years from having work done and talking to the pros.

    HVAC contractors are notorious for oversizing equipment and fudging load calcs to justify doing so. "No one ever calls to complain they're cool on a hot day or warm on a cold day", but doing that is really not in the homeowner's best interest. Good luck.

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks Elmer! There are also floor registers throughout the high ceiling area. I'm not very well versed on all the HVAC tech talk that's been thrown at me the last few weeks. I do get the point that I need to verify that 4 Tons is not overkill.


  • 7 years ago

    We have a modulating furnace - nice but I don't really think it's a whole lot better than a 2 stage would have been. I'd probably go with the second system. Either way, slight oversizing is less important with a variable/2-stage system than with a single stage system.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    I missed that important point. If it's not just a single stage unit but variable/two stage, then the sizing is less important so long as it's set up with the thermostat controlling the staging.

  • 7 years ago

    What part of TN? West is hot and humid. East in the mountains not so much.

  • 7 years ago

    We are in East TN but in the valley and 45 minutes from the mountains. It isn’t Memphis but can be pretty hot and humid in summer.

  • 7 years ago

    Kdenton


    is there a reason you are not considering a 95+% eff nat gas furnace? I think I found a 60 K condensing high eff Trane furnace. Obviously it will require a 4 ton blower to handle your 4 Ton outside AC condenser.


    IMO

  • 7 years ago

    I had a couple of solid Trane dealers in home to look at what I have, load calcs, etc...I think one brought up a higher efficiency option but, in his opinion, would reflect a price increae that didn’t get me a lot for our climate here. I might have mis-understood that. I can send them a note and ask the question.

  • 7 years ago

    new and correctly sized refrigerant lineset should be installed on new system. I would replace your filter media cabinet as well. Don't like idea of putting old on new. Prefer Trane's Perfect Fit model because it fits the furnace like a glove!


    IMO