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Need help creating a list for kitchen remodel

7 years ago

I am attempting to get contractor estimates for a kitchen remodel in a Florida condo. The major construction effort is raising a current dropped ceiling and removing a non-load bearing wall to create an island between our tv area and our kitchen. We are keeping the same footprint for cabinets, appliances, and utilities. I want to be able to give the contractors some better idea of the scope of the work than just me talking to them and them nodding (which seems to be what is happening). Can you kitchen experts review my list and let me know what I've forgotten to include in my list for outlining the scope of the project? I'd appreciate all help.

Cabinet removal and installation

  • Removal/disposal of current cabinets
  • Installation of IKEA cabinets

Countertops/Island top

  • Install Corian countertops on all cabinets/island
  • Install butcherblock counter on raised bar area

Backsplash

  • Install ceramic tile backsplash under cabinets and around kitchen window

Wallboard removal/installation

  • Removal of current dropped ceiling in kitchen/dining area/utility room
  • Removal of wall between behind the stove and adjoining cabinets
  • New higher ceiling with space for pancake recessed lighting in kitchen/dining area/utililty room
  • Build wall floor to ceililng approximately 12 inches wide to accommodate wiring to kitchen island and stove
  • Box in HVAC ductwork

HVAC

  • Move location of 4 vents within existing ductwork
  • Remove unnecessary ducts and seal.

Electrical

  • Hook-up induction range
  • Install pancake recessed lighting in kitchen and dining area (approximately 14-16 lights)
  • Install light fixture in utility room
  • Install light fixture in pantry closet
  • Install two under cabinet light bars
  • Install 6-8 electrical outlets (4 plug)
  • Install electrical in cabinet for wine refrigerator
  • Install 1 hanging light in dining area

Flooring (entire condo) (OPTIONAL)

  • Remove all tile and carpet with the exception of the utility room and bathrooms
  • Installation of floating luxury vinyl plank flooring throughout (Coretec enhanced XL)

Paint

  • Paint walls in dining area/utility room/pantry

Appliances

  • Install dishwasher
  • Install induction range
  • Install refrigerator and icemaker
  • Install recirculating exhaust hood over range/island

Plumbing

  • Move location of sink water/drain pipes to back of cabinet wall
  • Install existing garbage disposal
  • Install sink and faucet
  • Install undercabinet water filter and faucet

Comments (4)

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    This is going to probably be way more expensive than you think it will be.

  • 7 years ago

    Haha, I'm certain it is, Anglophilia, as this is not my first major remodel project, but I need to get a good estimate to find out how much more, and to assure I don't end up with too much project creep. My other kitchen project had a kitchen designer who worked with a specific contractor so she made certain everything was accounted for in our final estimate. This time I don't have that luxury. So far I've spoken to two contractors who just nod and measure and don't seem to take any notes specific to the project. I do have a firm estimate for the condo flooring so that part is optional for the kitchen guy unless he wants it and brings me a good total price. And I have the prices for the IKEA cabinets and for the appliances. I now need someone to give me the estimates for the construction/installation portion. My list will hopefully give them a good starting point on that price. I really don't want to be my own contractor and have to deal with all the individual tradesmen but it looks like it may come to that. At any rate, a comprehensive list will be helpful.


  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    More than half of that list likely can’t happen in a condo. If it can, start at 100K and go up, for the difficulty factor and having to work within the allowed working hours of a condo. The condos working rules need to be part of your packet. Plus noise and dust control requirements. All of which increase the expense.

    The flooring is NOT optional if the walls can come down.

    The plumbing is a no unless you have permitted access from the unit below.

    You have to pick the lighting or the dropped ceiling. Not both. Most of the electrical work will be limited, unless you upgrade the panel, and that might not even be possible without upgrading the whole building’s service. Old buildings simply have inadequate electrical service. Which is why most specify gas ranges.

    The most limiting ting aspect of your plan is the electrical. I suggest you pay an electrician a consult fee up front to take a look st the building and your h it to determine what is physically possible. Then plan the renovation around those limitations. It does no good to plan and half of the plan can’t be accomplished.

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks, GreenDesigns, for your thoughtful comments. I know it's hard looking at my list without actually knowing what the condo looks like. All of the things on my list are actually very doable within the condo and have been done in other units, so I know that there are no real structural issues and that they are all possible. I just want to know what it will cost!

    I know that the floor isn't optional and I already have a firm estimate for a total condo reflooring so I'm just giving the kitchen person the option of bidding the entire job. The ceiling is dropped about 15 inches over the kitchen/dining area as an old design feature. It is vacant space with only an electrical wire to the light fixture so it can just be raised. The plumbing to be moved is to push it against the wall within my condo as it is currently running directly through the center of the cabinets (never seen anything like that, nothing is behind the wall) and then jogging over to connect at the main stack (which is actually against the wall!) Unless an induction stove takes much more power than an regular electric stove I should be good with that (that's one thing I haven't researched so thanks for the warning.) but other units have upgraded to induction without having to have a panel upgrade.

    Nothing I'm planning to do hasn't already been done in similar units but everyone does have a horror story about their contractor. I'm hoping to eliminate the horror stories by having a good understanding of the project upfront.