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Do rose seeds produce "true to type"?

7 years ago

I'm sorry I don't know how to phrase this better; let me explain. I found a seed nursery in the UK that apparently sells seeds of the rose "Lavender Crush". This rose doesn't seem to be available in Europe, and I want it, so I was thinking that buying these seeds might be a good idea. But is it a hoax? I mean, if you harvest seed from a Lavender Crush rose plant, will all the seeds actually be Lavender Crushes, or will you get a lot of different offspring?

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  • 7 years ago

    If you raise enough seeds from the rose -- and supposing they were self-set rather than cross-pollinated -- you might find one or a few seedlings that are reasonably similar to the original, but not exactly the same.


    :-)


    ~Christopher

    User thanked AquaEyes 7a NJ
  • 7 years ago

    Except for a few species roses, NO, rose seeds do not grow true to the variety. Each seed is a new combination of all the genes from the parent roses. And they are a combination of their parent roses and on and on. So the seeds can produce characteristics from any of the past generations. That being said, Christopher is correct. If you grew enough of them , chances are, you'd eventually get one similar, but not identical, to Lavender Crush. I will tell you that for the most part I've found that what I generally get are the default setting of a 5 petaled medium pink rose.

    User thanked seil zone 6b MI
  • 7 years ago

    You said it so well, John. I agree with everyone's answers. Diane

    User thanked nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
  • 7 years ago

    In fact, the pedigrees of most modern roses are so mixed, you could get almost anything. But many random seedlings tend to be single and pink.

    User thanked jerijen
  • 7 years ago

    I wonder what it is about these seedlings that favour single flowers and a basic pink colour....this is all very interesting!

    User thanked Magnus - England
  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    There was an article some years ago promoting growing garden roses from seed because they would come up readily. And modern hybrids were often so complex genetically that all different kinds of characters would be displayed by the seedlings. With this diversity being seen as a source of amusement and interest.

    And there's nothing about Lavender Crush that indicates it would come true from seed, anymore so than any other hybrid rose:

    http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.73904

    Also I suspect there's nothing about it that makes it so you have to move heaven and earth to get this particular introduction. That there may be other roses on the market there that have the traits you are looking for.

    User thanked Embothrium
  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    I agree with what the others have said. I currently have a seedling of Julia child that has some similarities to Julia child, but the color seems slightly different and I’m not sure how the form will turn out when it matures.

    seedling
    Julia child

    User thanked garden nut z9b
  • 7 years ago

    garden nut's picture seems to bear out all the comments. It's a paler, smaller, less interesting version of Julia Child, perhaps similar to many of the seedlings that were discarded when Julia Child was bred. It's still cute, though.

    User thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 7 years ago

    O dear. Well, thanks , people. The thing is that Lavender Crush is not available here in Europe. Nor is Quicksilver. I long for both of these,because of their colours and forms...

  • 7 years ago

    Visit rose collections/display gardens at flowering time, look at rose offerings in catalogs and web sites - you may find others you like.

    User thanked Embothrium
  • 7 years ago

    Embothrium, I've got to the point that I have to STOP looking for roses that I might like, lol! I already have more than I can handle,and in any case really want to try to concentrate now on companion planting, etc.The problem is I've become badly infected with "mauve madness"...

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Bart, do you have any Gallicas? They do mauve really well. You have to like their wildish character, accept their once-flowering--for my part I have no problem with this--and be willing to risk that a hot dry summer may result in less than glorious blooms. I love them!

    P.S. Examples of mauve Gallicas are 'De la Maitre-Ecole' and 'Ypsilante'. The latter may be more demanding than your average Gallica--I'm not sure--but is extremely beautiful. 'De la Maitre-Ecole' gets mildew in summer, but that doesn't slow it down. It's bomb-proof, and the flowers are splendid. I just went and took a look at the photos on HMF. The photo by andreafxr, second page, are what my 'De la Maitre-Ecole' looks like: large, not overfull, cool pink aging to mauve and lavender. The colors in his photos are correct. I'm not sure that all the photos of 'De la Maitre-Ecole' on HMF represent the same rose, but andreafxr is in Lodi, and if you got 'De la Maitre-Ecole' in Italy, I think you'd end up with the variety his photo shows. For 'Ypsilante', Maddalena Piccinini's photo on HMF exactly captures this glorious rose. She too lives in Piacenza, by the way.

    User thanked Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
  • 7 years ago

    I don't entirely agree with many single pink blooms. I rarely get those (and most that I do get is from Many Happy Returns). I mostly get dull cream yellows and deep reds in the double to semi double range. It depends a lot on what you're using, I have very few pink roses and there's not a lot of pink in the known lineages.


    This will change as i start adding species into the

    User thanked Protoavis z