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Why are there no 40" ranges?

7 years ago

We just purchased a century home in Cleveland and the previous owner has a 1940's electric stove that needs to be replaced and quickly. I am having a very difficult time finding a 40" stove that is under 10,000 dollars. I found a Hallman, but it is a 4 month order to delivery time. Can anyone help?

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  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Too bad,. At least 15 years ago, Frigidaire and Kenmore (same product, relabeled) had a very nice 40" range with two ovens. Sorry to see it go, but I suspect that most people remodel the cabinet layout for old houses that had the 40" ranges.

    Is this one still available anywhere?

    http://www.wisemanappliance.com/en/catalog/product/66913-Frigidaire%20Professional-FPDF4085KF

  • 7 years ago

    Hallmans seem to have other concerns, like a lack of adequate reviews, besides the four-month delivery time.

    A base cabinet filler might be an easier and cheaper approach.

    On the other hand, I used a 1950s O'Keefe & Merritt gas range happily and successfully for 25 years, though the one very small oven was a problem.

    What does the range area look like in your house?

  • 7 years ago

    Oh, just remembered. I think Ilve offers a 40" range, not sure about the price.

  • 7 years ago

    Ilve does, looks like the list price is about $6400 (which is still quite a lot...)


    https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/UPDW100.html

  • 7 years ago

    Did you call Hallman in TX? When I called and bought mine, they had 10!! 48" ranges in stock and available for delivery! Yes, stainless, not a custom color.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    The page is older, but I think many of these places to buy a restored vintage range are still active.

  • 7 years ago

    LaCanche makes a 39 3/8" range. That should fit just fine. You might have to install a tiny filler strip, but any contractor or even handyman can do that.


    From everything that I read here, people that have bought a LaCanche absolutely love them. It's apparently one of the best stoves that you can choose. And it has a ton of configuration options allowing you to personalize it for your specific cooking style.


    They also look stunningly beautiful.


    The downside is that a LaCanche won't be cheap.


    Realistically, it might actually be cheaper to fill in the space and install an induction cooktop instead. But that depends a lot on what the existing cabinets and countertops look like. If they are easy to match and relatively inexpensive, then that's an option. If they are all custom and expensive materials, then not so much.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    There are virtually no 40” ranges for the same reason that there are no toilets with a pull chain tank overhead, or horse carriages with a two cylinder engine that couldn’t power a lawn tractor today. They are obsolete.

  • 7 years ago

    40" ranges were common from the 20's and 30's, and more modern ones of that size were made to replace those originals. But today, people are most likely to change the cabinet layout in a total kitchen remodel rather than just replace that old range. The 40" was pretty standard for many many years.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Lots of odd sized of framing lumber and everything else happened before industry size standardizations. The development of size standardizations drove the post war housing boom. Odd sizes that wouldn’t fit within those standards mostly went away.

    One off customization of lumber is still available. Custom lots of things are available. But they are not mass produced and designed to fit into houses that have embraced the different systems of sizes that all work together. Consequently, one off sized thing throws everything downstream off in size, and then the whole needs customized materials and designs to make it work. That adds up to $$$.

    Thats why its obsolete for the mainstream. You can still buy a Rolls Royce, made exactly to your specifications, by hand. But you’re not getting a Toyota customized with a different wheelbase length, cab height, and extended hood. Much less using a virgin reindeer leather and Carpathian elm burl wood interior.

  • 7 years ago

    But anything bigger or smaller than 30" is in the specialty price range already. I buy your argument that those sizes are non-mainstream and that they are priced as such. I don't buy the argument that because of that, we had to abandon 40" in favor of 24", 36", and 48" as the only common non-30" sizes. Technically, I don't think they are necessarily superior

  • 7 years ago

    Betamax was "technically superior" too. In the era where even DVD's are approaching technical obsolescence, only the collectors own that copy of Animal House on Betamax and still have something to play it on care. Or maybe someone who buys a 1984 house with a complete built in entertainment system that includes that. Complete with intercom box on the wall. Which still works.


    30" is a simple division of the foot scale. A 1.5 foot. 36" is 3 feet. 48" is 4 feet, etc. It fits the standardized construction systems based on 4x8 sheet goods. 40" is going to be nearest to the European metric 100 cm ranges. Which we thoroughly rejected. Even though it is technically superior.

  • 7 years ago

    Lately I've been building my cabinets based on European sizes so the European interior components I use will work. Instead of 18, 24, 36, 48 they are 450mm, 600mm, 1000 mm and 1200 mm. I'm sure appliances there are sized to fit this system and are not obsolete.

  • 7 years ago

    30" is a simple division of the foot scale. A 1.5 foot. 36" is 3 feet. 48" is 4 feet, etc.


    That doesn't really make all that much sense. We have 2', 2½', 3' and 4'. What happened to 3.5'? That would actually be a useful size at 42". And why are 2¼' (aka 27") ranges still a thing?


    None of it is particularly logical. Standardizing on one common size (i.e. 30") isn't a bad idea. And it honestly doesn't matter much what the exact dimensions are, as long as everybody agrees. It's the other sizes that feel entirely arbitrary. And IMHO something in between 36" and 48" is painfully missing. Make that 40" (aka 1000mm) or make that 42". I don't care. But fill the gap.

  • 7 years ago

    When we bought our 1913 home seven years ago (just dow the road from you in Columbus), it had a 40 inch space for a stove in which the former owner had sat a 30 inch stove (with two non-functioning burners). Neither your home nor your cabinet layout are obsolete. We bought an Ilve. The size and the look (with the cabriole legs!) are perfect for our home. From what I could tell, Hallman is a knock off of Ilve. Don't settle if you don't have to.

  • 7 years ago

    I almost had that problem with a home built in early 2000's that we were considering buying. It had a 40" Kenmore Elite range and when I started looking into replacement (since all the appliances were nearly 20 years old) I found they don't make many that size any more. It was a definite drawback of the home as I would have had to rework cabinets to get a new range that met my requirements.

  • 7 years ago

    A solution midge be to replace stove with a cabinet and fillers and a 36" cooktop and a 30" oven below.

    Or a 36" range with fillers on either side.

  • 7 years ago
    M I agree about the jump from 36” to 48”. Why not 42”? Especially in vanities.
  • 2 years ago

    Odd, bought a house with 40" Kenmore dual fuel, built in 2007. Would rather have induction. Strange how cheapest 40" are $10k now, and rare!

  • 2 years ago

    Ilve does sell a 40" which I bought and regret. I've had problems with it since day one and their customer service has said they will send someone out for OVER A YEAR, but they never do. Stay away from Ilve. They look good but what difference does that make if they don't work properly?

  • 2 years ago

    I've about decided if my 40" goes out, it will be easier and cheaper to remodel the space for a 36" range.

  • 11 months ago

    Has anyone found a 40" free-standing range? We have a 40" Whirlpool range and the baking element went out, and unfortunately they do not make that part anymore.

  • 11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    They're all ugly and really expensive. I bought an element for my Kenmore 40" at Amazon a few years ago. Here's a link, not sure if it is the same, just take some measurements.

    https://a.co/d/9NzCrhR

  • 6 months ago

    We .have the 40" in problem too. There are limited options, none are great IMO. THe only good options in my mind are the vintage gas stoves from the 40's or 50's or a Lacanche. The Ilve quality is terribly and the ovens are not deep enough. The vintage gas stoves are high quality and will run virtually forever, but they do need servicing from time to time and the people that do that work are retiring. :The Lacanche's will last forever too and are still serviced but very expensive and used ones are quite hard to come by. Hope you find something you like!

  • 6 months ago

    gabriel larson: "We .have the 40" in problem too. There are limited options, none are great IMO."

    The 36" dual-fuel SMEG CPF36UGMX and Frigidaire GCFD3661AF ranges are on sale at ajmadison for $1700(!) and $3200, respectively. Given that consumer-grade 40" ranges will never come back, maybe spend the savings on modifying the cabinetry and countertop, and adding a 240 volt circuit to accommodate a standard, 36" range rather than spending so much for the least expensive Lacanche Cluny at $14,750.

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