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Wafer vs can ceiling lights

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

We're remodeling and our GC says we can go with wafer or can lights. Either way, it's 4" LED but I need to decide on cans or wafers. I'm particularly interested in glare differences between ceiling level wafer vs recessed canned lights.

From what I've found, here are the pro's and cons of each. I'd be interested in feedback and if I've missed anything major:


Can lights:

Pro's

- Lots of aftermarket LED light choices that fit a standard 4" can

- Recessed light might reduce glare (looking across a room) ***Is this true???***

- Super easy to change the light out (unscrew)

Con's

- A bit more expensive (can + light)

- Need to take into account joist locations and depth when designing can locations

- Air leakage (don't care as these are 1st floor and I'm in temperate San Diego)

- Can be harder to install (don't care as my GC is doing it)


Wafer lights

Pro's

- Can go pretty much anywhere (joist and depth virtually independent)

- Cost (a bit cheaper than the can/light combo)

- Easy to install (don't care as my GC is doing it)

Con's

- Non-standard wafer sizes means non-standard ceiling hole (might make replacement harder)

- Changing light out (for different color temp for example) is harder as need to do a little rewiring

- Glare (led "bulb" is level with ceiling, even with frosted cover I'd think there's a glare when looking across a room)


Note: I'm not worried about the lighting design, color temp, CRI or under-cabinet lights on this thread. I'm just trying to make an informed decision on using wafers or cans. :)


Thanks!!!

Comments (11)

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Between these two, do the can lights. You don't know what the future will hold for lighting or standards so build using the most common existing standard which provides some future proofing and allows more flexibility for changing bulbs, etc. If a wafer burns out prematurely (and they will from time to time) and no manufacturer makes any in that size/configuration anymore, you are stuck.

    pgsd thanked SirJohn
  • 6 years ago

    Cans. They're inexpensive (4" example) and maximize flexibility in choice of light. Plus if you ever have to change the light you won't have to go inside the ceiling and disturb the mice, bats, bees, and other creatures living there at at the time.

    pgsd thanked wdccruise
  • 6 years ago

    I’d go with the cans as well for maximum versatility. That said, some of the wafers along with cans have multiple selectable light temps. And the two models I’ve worked with, the wafers connect to the box and can easily be replaced from below the ceiling provided you use the same wafer.

    pgsd thanked Steve J
  • 6 years ago

    I went with wafers to get the selectable temperature and the freedom of placement. Some days I notice the glare if I am sitting in an adjacent room and looking at the kitchen, but only when they are at 100% bright. Dimming even the slightest helps.


    If your joists aren't in the way (mine were) then I would do cans.

    pgsd thanked Pam A
  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    It sounds like going with cans for future-proofing/compatibility is the winner. Plus, cans appears to potentially reduce the chance of glare. One more decision made, thanks everyone!

  • 6 years ago

    One thing to consider w/cans vs surface(standard J-box) mount is the impact on insulation. If your cans protrude into unconditioned space like an attic, they significantly cut into the R-value of your insulation. We opted for surface mount for our upper level and (insulated) garage for just this reason.

    pgsd thanked Michelle misses Sophie
  • 6 years ago

    Yep, these will be installed 1st floor on a 2-story house so, no insulation worries. Thanks!

  • 6 years ago

    we are thinking about replacing our old chandler's with led wafer lights, it has 20 foot ceilings will they put off enough light?

  • 6 years ago

    By the way this is in our church and there will be 16 lighting fixtures

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Michelle misses Sophie, air leakage from a can light into unconditioned space can be mitigated. My attic is directly under my living space, and my house came with about five recessed can lights from the 70s. I had the Energy Star program in to seal and insulate my house, and as a part of the program, they put these big styrofoam buckets over each recessed light. That way, air movement is stopped from moving from living to unconditioned space. In my state (MA), any contractor that comes after the Energy Star program is required to insulate their work to Energy Star's standards. I'm not at all worried about putting can lights into my upcoming kitchen reno.