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7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago

We are replacing a 20yr old Goodman/Janitrol a/c.
Live in SE Florida.Small ranch house, approx 1,100 Sq feet.
CBS construction, built in 1960, have new impact windows.Back does face west but has screened in porch, so some solar protection.
Old unit oversized at 5 ton by previous owner.
4 estimates, 3 @ 3 ton.
4th company I dismissed straight off the bat, as he wanted to replace with 4/5 ton. Said house was 2,000 Sq ft. And he lives in my neighborhood!
2 companies never followed up after estimate. 1 of which was my old a/c company, but watching him and his boss measure my house was like watching Laurel and Hardy.
Leaving 1 company. Great feedback, multiple phone calls. Great reviews. Angies list 5 star, service award etc.They also topped off the refrigerant, no charge, no obligation.
Air handler is in small hall closet, so limited space. No garage, just carport.
Ameristar 3 ton 14 seer w 8 kw heat.
Condenser model # M4AC4036D1
Air handler TMM4AOB36S31SAA.
$4,127.29
I know they are part of American Standard/Trane. Was also recommended by another contractor in phone consult but he never showed up.

Comments (29)

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Yes includes installation and condensate pump.

    With limited space in closet, have to be careful with air handler measurements.

    Concerned about seer at 14, but will be an improvement. Old unit 10 seer.

    Also includes UV light, but not sure if they are worth it.

  • 7 years ago

    I looked up the model number and see this is an AC condenser. He plans to install a heat strip. It makes more sense to spend a little more money on a heat pump and spend a lot of money on heating with resistance heat.

    Are you getting a thermostat? Did you get a model for the coil? Does this include a new line set or is he going to flush the old one?

    It seems Ameristar has a very limited equipment line up. There is a 16 SEER condenser available which is rated to be quieter. Get a quote if you are looking to have lower operating costs.

  • 7 years ago
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    Yes new digital thermostat. Will flush and vacuum the line.

    Was the actual owner who came out not an employee.

  • 7 years ago
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    Where are you located? Above Orlanfo/Tampa or below?...if below, then I would forget HP and go with AC and small 5 KW heat strip. Check warranty on Ameristar, not comparable with a Trane or Am Std....even for SE Florida, difficult to believe that you require more than a 3 ton....

    IMO

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Southeast Florida, below Orlando.

    Think 3 ton ok.

    Know installation is key?

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    How many windows?

    1100 sq ft is small. If windows are not too many, reinsulate the house you could get by with a 2 ton unit.

  • 7 years ago

    2 ton?...not for SE Florida...


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  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Douglas we are in Florida not California. It's 20 years old, has a leak.

    Walls are concrete block stucco. There is insulation in attic.

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    1100 sq ft / 3 = 367 square feet per ton.

    I would be more concerned with humidity for a climate like Florida and upsizing does not handle humidity concerns well.

    367 feet per ton is ridiculous.

  • 7 years ago

    You are proposing installing a 2 ton system with a 5 ton duct work? No concerns about this mismatch?

  • 7 years ago

    Austin's math does not match SE Florida climate...

  • 7 years ago

    First of all, you need an accurate assessment of your home's size. 5 tons seem waaaaaaaaay oversized even for 2000 sq ft. In your location, humididty is the biggest concern - an oversized unit will leave you with a cold clammy home - very uncomfortable, but boy, will it cool!!!!. For 1100 sq ft, I would think 1.5 ton or 2 at the most would be needed. For 2000 sq ft, maybe 3, 3.5 ton. Depends on your heat load - instead of guessing, why aren't they doing a load calc?.


    I wouldn't worry too much about oversized ducts - I'm sure the original ducts were way undesized and, while air velcity will be reduced, it should still be sufficient to distribute air throughout the home.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Austin said 2 ton, not me.


    We have quotes for 3 ton.


    Our house is 1,106 Sq ft under air.

    One a/c contractor said our house was 2 thousand Sq ft. Needless to say I won't be using him.

  • 7 years ago

    Ductwork should be checked for both condition, size, and insulation...I would be wary of the Ameristar brand...because of your location, I would forget HP and go with AC with small heat strip. A 5 KW heat strip yields about 17 1/2 KBTUs. Of course, electric service should be checked.


    IMO

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Mike we don't know the duct system is a 5 ton duct system. That would involve magic 8 ball theory and you must be certified to operate one of those....

    Now Florida has got some mystical climate that I know nothing about... LOL.


    Do as you wish... but again 367 feet per ton is ridiculous! --- Even for Houston area which is HOTTER than Florida.

  • 7 years ago

    8 kw heat strip. Electric updated and checked.

  • 7 years ago

    for OP....you may not need an 8...what is average winter temp?...


    IMO

  • 7 years ago
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    Low to mid 70s. Cold snaps of a few days can be get down into 40s or 50s

  • 7 years ago
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    5 KW would be fine...

  • 7 years ago

    Ray, in another post when it was suggested replacing a 4 ton condenser with a 3 ton size, it was you who brought up the concern about operating with an over sized duct work. In this case you are recommending a 2 ton condenser, but have not mentioned anything about potentially over sized duct work. In the former case there was a 25% reduction in air flow, in this case the of air from 3 ton to 2 ton is 33%. I was trying to understand the science why it would be a problem in one case but not another.

    The duct size does not require magic 8 ball theory. You measure the duct work with a ruler. I happen to agree with you and think a 2 ton condenser is probably a better size given how bad the humidity can be in south Florida. In this situation it is better to be a little undersized than over sized in my opinion. However this is a ranch house and we don't know if it has a flat roof or the amount of attic insulation.

    The fact that the previous owner installed a 5 ton condenser is interesting. Perhaps this house has a higher heat load then the rule of thumb using area would suggest. You don't know unless you are on site to measure and to the proper calculations.

  • 7 years ago
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    Has a "hip" roof. Slopes down on all four sides.

    ALSO....roof is dark asphalt shingles and we may have to replace in the near future. Think originally had tile, as is most of neighbourhood.

    Absolutely lighter or white roof next time!!

  • 7 years ago

    How much insulation is in the attic?

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    As per home inspection in 2009....limited attic access due to A/C ducts and insulation. That's all I know.

    With being hip roof, and small house, roof pitch is low. Obviously have soffit and 2 turbines/whirlybirds?

    Again, roof replacement as some point.


  • 7 years ago

    " Absolutely lighter or white roof next time!! "


    White/light colored roofs can look absolutely awful with the slightest hint of mold/mildew. Check neighbors roofs to see if you have this problem in your location.

  • PRO
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Ray, in another post when it was suggested replacing a 4 ton condenser with a 3 ton size, it was you who brought up the concern about operating with an over sized duct work. In this case you are recommending a 2 ton condenser, but have not mentioned anything about potentially over sized duct work.

    Yes Mike you are absolutely right... why would I do that?

    That log cabin in question is 2500 sq. ft. --- the size of the structure will require more duct work will it not?

    This structure is 1100 sq. ft. Do you realize the kind of ductopus duct system that would have to be installed on a 1100 sq. ft. structure?

    How many rooms does a 1100 sq ft. structure have compared to 2500 sq. ft.?

    This thought is lost on you... because you can't see the forest from the trees. It is 'more likely' the 1100 sq. ft. structure has a smaller duct system no where near capable of handling 5 ton HVAC equipment... simply because there is not enough room.

    Many of these kinds of homes built in Florida in the 60's were vacation homes. They weren't lived in all year long like they are now and all they had was heating that was rarely used. These homes were lived in a few months in the winter time, those who came to escape the cold northern climates. You know another aspect that makes Florida's climate so elusive to me...

    To be fair: the biggest wild card is windows. But the OP stated it has west windows that are protected or 'shaded' by some type of awning. Because this place is so small, if there 'were' some magical heat load discrepancy you could easily make it up by adding more insulation. That would be the better approach (re-insulating). Over sizing does the exact opposite of what is needed when it comes to dehumidification. The system simply won't run long enough to dehumidify & Dehumidification is typically needed all year long for Tropical climates... even when summer time temperatures fade.

    This can pose dehumidification problems. The cure if this happens... is to rip out the over sized equipment and install proper sized equipment.

    If the system is slightly undersized, you can always reinsulate the structure.


  • 7 years ago

    Boy, you come here for advice only to have grown "men" bickering like little kids on a playground. One trying to outdo the other.


    No wonder the consumer is confused and misled.

    Vacation homes? Friend and neighbor, born here, remembers the area being built and bought his house. His father also built property. Many are waterfront as built on ocean access canals with

    varying degrees of updates and remodoling. Initially these homes had NO A/C, then they put in wall units. We still have original floor plan.


    I`m out.



  • PRO
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    The internet is a dangerous place for advice. I'm not bickering I'm explaining my point, to a group of homeowners that have too much time on their hands....

    Friend and neighbor born here? So why not ask them for advice? They live in the area and I assume the construction is similar or the same to some extent as this house.

    Father built the property... ok ask him for advice.

    But when posed with a challenge you run away because the advice you get doesn't meet your standards?

    Welcome to the real world.

    Florida is known as a retirement destination. Just because your small group of friends aren't apart of this group doesn't mean much.

  • 7 years ago
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    Wow!!


    You just proved exactly what I wrote.


    The father is DEAD.