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Upper Cabinets - space to ceiling

7 years ago

We are in the process of having new cabinets built and have been advised to keep the final product an inch or two from the actual ceiling as they have found that many ceilings are not sufficiently flat and usually no trim will fit perfectly. We are concerned with the inability to maintain cleanliness on top of the cabinets if an inch or two remains open but inaccessible. Any thoughts or rules on this?

Comments (22)

  • 7 years ago

    Agree with above. Plenty of people have the molding to the ceiling and it looks so much cleaner!

    Marc Tremblay thanked Lauren
  • 7 years ago

    Yep! No one leaves that small space.

    Marc Tremblay thanked suzyq53
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks for your thoughts and I tend to agree. Nevertheless I have also seen on Pinterest that a number of what appears to be quality installs do leave a small space between the ceiling and the top trim, crown molding or otherwise. I am interested in comments from anyone who has selected to leave a small space as to why this was done and what are your thoughts after having lived with them for a while?

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    It is very common to go to the ceiling with a 2 step crown. No ceiling is ever perfectly level. If it is off by 1/4" or less those gaps can be filled with caulk. If it is mor ethan that they need to determine it PRIOR to installing the crown ( or even earlier ) and they can feather in the ceiling with compound to even out those areas.

    I do have some folks who do leave that gap because they like the look of the shadow line it creates, or if they have radiant heat in the ceiling, or if the ceiling is really in an uneven situation.

    It's pretty easy to take a swiffer every now and then and clean off the tops of the cabinets - its not that hard - think about all the people with high ceilings or a cathedral ceilings.

    Best of luck!

    Marc Tremblay thanked Debbi Washburn
  • 7 years ago

    Yeah but people with cathedral ceilings or whatever have a lot of clearance between the tops of the cabinets and the ceiling, which makes the cabinet tops easily accessible for cleaning.


    I don't think a Swiffer can fit in a 1" gap. Even with specialized cleaning attachments, it's still be super annoying to clean. With that small of a gap, I'd just close it off with crown molding.

    Marc Tremblay thanked queenvictorian
  • 7 years ago
    I would be curious to know who advised you to leave a gap...a professional?? Just sounds like strange advice. I would take them all the way up to the ceiling.
  • 7 years ago

    It was the design person from a custom cabinet shop we are working with. I don't know how strongly they feel about it but based on the comments here I will revisit this with her when we meet next. Thanks for all of your comments.

  • 7 years ago

    Actually I wonder if the cabinet maker recommend the gap with the assumption that crown molding would be installed, which makes sense. 1-2" is enough to account for unevenness in the ceiling, and easily covered up by crown molding.

  • 7 years ago
    No reason not to go right up to the ceiling. If it isn’t straight they can compensate. It finishes the space.
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    A gap looks unfinished. Using a 2 or 3 piece crown allow you to cheat out of level.

  • 7 years ago
    Actually, with such a narrow gap, if your ceiling is uneven, I would think the gap would make it look worse and much more noticeable than if you went all the way up and used crown to hide the discrepancy.
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    I think there is no real reason for either option - just personal preference. I have a house flipper who leaves the gap and no one complains - she does it to save money - her choice..



    These are probably closer to 2 - 3"

  • 7 years ago
    Debbi....that looks like a good 5” to me and the ceilings look like they’re at a decent height as well which I think gives much more leeway when creating space above the cabs. OP was describing a small 1-2 inch gap between top of cabs and ceiling and made no mention of ceiling height so difficult to know where he can go with all of it.
  • PRO
    7 years ago

    That small gap is finished with trim and any good cabinet maker would do just that..What do you mean by custon cabinet shop.Custom eans they work with your space to custom fit your cabinets.

  • 7 years ago

    To the ceiling. No question about it. It looks neater, cleaner, calmer.

  • 7 years ago
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    To the ceiling or in our case to the soffit, and that flat piece that is circled is a finish trim and it actually changes in height across the kitchen because the house and the walls/ceiling are not plumb. No one is going to notice that change in height, because it's micro....

    (ugh photo is not uploading, thanks houzz)

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    @nidnay They are no more than 3 1/2" spaces( in the second pic - the first is about 2 1/2)- I measured these rooms..

  • 7 years ago

    We had to go with the small gap (about 2-3in), our ceilings are way out from one side to the other (new addition to old construction) and in order to get the height off the counter I wanted, plus fit a taller upper we could not do a stepped crown to compensate. I'm happy with the end result.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    In a super modern cabinet design, a shadow line is often done. It's not unheard of, nor is it a sign of careless design. It is a deliberate design feature.

  • 7 years ago

    Question - If you do take cabinets to the ceiling, and you want to wrap them in the same crown that is currently on the walls in the room (since the crown will touch current crown molding), will it look odd to have the crown painted with a water based paint when the cabinets are pre-painted by the cabinet maker (usually with their special cabinet lacquer finish)?

    We are getting out cabinets ordered custom with the same BM white to match our trim but the trim is painted with a water based paint where as the cabinets come already painted by the cabinet maker. Just not sure if looks ok to wrap the cabinets in the crown that has a different paint method even though its technically the same color.


    Not sure what they did in the pic above posted by Karen Rose, but that would be our same situation...

  • PRO
    7 years ago
    As long as the sheen in right color isn't a problem, nor the product( oil vs water based)