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Crown Gall on new band?

Is this Crown Gall? I got this band because I decided to get a few more plants of Marechal Niel because our leaf cutter bees adore the leaves above all other roses. Anyhow, I got this band a few weeks ago and after letting it acclimate a few weeks, decided to pot it up to a gallon size and I could barely get it out of the band pot because there was a huge cluster of fiberous material attached to the bottom stem and hardly any roots! I haven't had this in my garden before. Can it spread to my other roses? I can't believe this was sent out like this..I never got diseased plants from this nursery in the past. Please advise.

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  • 7 years ago

    Having trouble posting pics on houzz qgain will update in a bit

  • 7 years ago

    You should probably send clear photos of it to the supplying nursery. If their cultivar is having issues with gall, they shouldn't be offering it. A good reputation requires a long time to grow and can be badly dented quickly and easily, particularly in today's social media frenzy world. Marechal Niel is known to be susceptible to gall, so it isn't unthinkable it may have one. I'm trying to remember where I recently read of an old nursery budding it to Banksiae in hopes of preventing the gall issue.

    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked roseseek
  • 7 years ago

    Thank you Roseseek. I did get in touch via email a few days ago and sent a clear photo. I just asked for a refund until they can get their stock straightened out. I havent heard anything back yet.

    I got another one through the same place I got my original one in a gallon size and that one is doing well. This infected band MN plant was NOT from a FL nursery.

    Just want to mention that only because I posted on a thread earlier a pic of my nice gallon sz MN from a FL nursery and I dont want anyone to think it was from them lol.







  • 7 years ago

    Oh dear. To add to the confusion, if this is Marechal Niel from RVR you might actually have Reve d'Or. See Sheila's post: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/4949521/who-am-i#n=23


    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Should I throw this away or what? I dont want it infecting my other roses. I dont figure I should send it back, knowingly sending diseases through the mail lol. How contagious is it? They might want more photos. I guess I could put the pot on our back acre until I hear from them. I havent got diseased plants from them before but have been sent mislabled roses and had communication issues.

  • 7 years ago

    I would wash the roots off and photograph it thoroughly to document it, and then discard it (not in the compost). I'm not sure how contagious it is (maybe Kim will answer that), but why take chances? RVR is definitely not great about emailing. If I were you I'd call them to confirm that they have seen the images and are refunding you. Sometimes I've had to call them more than once to get a refund for sending me the wrong plant, but ultimately they do (and you shouldn't have to send the plant back -- it was their mistake).

    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 7 years ago

    FWIW ---- Not just one, but EVERY rose we ever got from Heirloom Old Garden Roses, back in the day was infected with gall. It took us a while to figure that out, but it was really true. Every. Single. One of them.

    I suppose it's not illogical that the same thing might turn up from a neighboring nursery.

    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked jerijen
  • 7 years ago

    The bacterium exists almost everywhere. It's systemic, so conceivably, once it's in a rose, everything produced from that rose can eventually contract galls. I've had them form on own root as well as budded plants and from LITERALLY every source from which I have ever purchased roses. LITERALLY. It isn't necessarily the nursery's fault. There are measures they can take to help reduce the potential of spreading galls, but even the commercial liner producers have had gall issues in recent years. Remember, cutting a stem to make a cutting of it IS "wounding" it, providing entry points for the gall.

    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked roseseek
  • 7 years ago

    Nevertheless -- It's not something you want to keep in your garden.

    And I would not request a replacement from the same source.

    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked jerijen
  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    KS, Oh no, that might make it confusing for RVR to figure out if its MN or Reve d'Or that is susceptible to the gall. I will do as you say and get rid of pot, dirt, and plant and take a few more pics just in case. I ordered the MN band from RVR initially, because RPN was initially out of MN, once they got it back in stock I ordered another one from them and that came with flowers on it and RPN is the same place I got my original MN thats healthy, so I trust them.


    I am encouraged that you got reimbursed. Last time RVR sent me the wrong plant, they finally said they would send out the correct one and never did. I just gave up after that. Its been awhile since I ordered from them but I did get Little Grey Pearl from them last year and it was correct so took a chance on MN. If it had turned out to be a disease free, Reve d'Or, I would not have been mad about that! Its a beautiful rose and on my list..just not gonna get it from there now lol. Its a shame because they have so many good roses in their catalog.


    roseseek, thanks for the explanation. I love that you and others on this foum are so willing to teach. I feel like I'm always learning. I will not be keeping this since anything that comes of it would be more susceptible to gall. Right now, Ive been lucky, not having it.


    Jeri, that's very sad about Heirloom Old Garden Roses having gall in all the roses you purchased. That is very scary! I am not going to get a replacement from RVR, its too stressful wondering if the gall would show up.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    LBPetals, that is horrible. At least you know what to look for next time. From now on, I will slide out all plants and check out the rootball upon arrival. Its not 100% but maybe it will be a tip off if anything suspicious is present. I learned a lesson one year when I ordered Cacao pods from Puerto Rico (yes it was legal) and I opened them inside the house and a huge weird looking roach popped out and ran under my couch!! Scared the c*** out of me. A lizard arrived in another box from out of state.

    From then on all plant boxes etc get opened up outside!! I keep learning as I go.

  • 7 years ago
    Omg, I am just cracking up here again . Sorry but Jasmin you are too funny. You just taught me a lesson to open boxes outside from now on. I don't want any critters or bugs running anywhere in the house. Better to be safe than sorry. Thanks for telling me or reminding me. I have roachaphobia ( I created my own words ) I hate the ones in soil too. Wish I had chickens :)

    Sorry that your rose got a Gall. I have not order from any one of those nurseries you have mentioned. I got to remember who is who and I am sure I might forget or get confused.

    jin
    sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) thanked Plumeria Girl (Florida ,9b)