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Can Anyone Identify This Heritage Rose?


Came with my property. Likely planted around 50 years ago. Once blooming, but flowers for a long time. There is a definite scent. To me it smells citrus, like oranges.


Very healthy. Roots easily. Needs no special upkeep. I never spray. Or even fertilize, for that matter. Thanks for your input.

Comments (19)

  • 7 years ago

    Does it have thorns? If not, it might be Zepherine Drouhin.

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 7 years ago

    It resembles Cl American Beauty to me. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.317436 The difference between "blooms in flushes" and "once blooming over a long period" can easily be due to climate and condition differences.

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked roseseek
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    Yes to thorns, though not a lot. They are backwards curving beige thorns. No to blooming in flushes. I live in Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island, zone 8. Long season for roses to bloom. This beauty only blooms once. However as said, that once is for quite a long time. Once the blooming is finished, that's it for the year.



    Showing thorns. Mostly on the older canes.

  • 7 years ago
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    Trying to show the buds. They aren't elegantly pointed like CL American Beauty. These buds are more roundish.

    Here's another photo of the flowers.


  • 7 years ago



    Colour seems a little more lavender pink than CL American Beauty too. Mostly bud shape is completely different. I've done further looking at CL American Beauty, Roseseek. Some sites say it is once blooming and some say blooms in flushes. One site said it did both! Another bit of information said there were two 'American Beauty' roses out there, one being Ulrich Brunner. The latter does have rounder flower buds. I'm still not sure what's what.

  • 7 years ago


    IMO that is definitely Climbing American Beauty. CAB is a DIFFERENT rose than American Beauty - it is not a sport of AB (they do this just to drive me crazy). If you look on HMF (you have to type out the "Climbing" do not use "Cl", or it will send you to the American Beauty page). There is a very good page with photos of Climbing American Beauty - it shows the fat buds, exact color, etc. which matches your rose exactly. I have CAB - mine was also in my garden when we moved in, and was growing in 3 different places, even though they had not gotten much care for 30+ years before that. Mine also is a once bloomer, but blooms for a long time. Also, it puts out a lot of new growth in the Spring, which blooms on new wood, which extends the bloom season. Above is a pic of one of mine.


    Jackie





    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 7 years ago
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    Your Climbing American Beauty looks wonderful, Jackie! The on line pictures are all over the place. In some the rose looks warm pink, in others a cooler pink. I'm going to go with what you say and dub my rose Climbing American Beauty! Thanks so much for your input. I would never have found this on my own. The second Climbing American Beauty rose I transplanted after rooting a piece of parent plant, is doing much better than it's mommy. Likely the soil at first site needs some improving. The poor rose has been growing in it for 50 years or so! This through a former cedar hedge that edged part of the property. I'm SO GLAD to know what this rose is. Makes the difference from "Oh that scraggly thing." to "Wow. What a gift!"

  • 7 years ago
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    Help Me Find site this is the one that says "Blooms in flushes throughout the season, once-blooming spring or summer." Which doesn't make any sense. Either the rose is once blooming, which it is, or it blooms in flushes throughout the season. The second option would mean a repeat bloomer. Which it isn't. So wonder what that is meaning?

  • 7 years ago

    Yes, I never spend any time trying to rationalize what sources say about various roses, as the correct answer is always "It depends..."

    Jackie


    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 7 years ago

    BTW, my Climbing American Beauties frequently tip root all by themselves, so I always have lots of babies. You might want to look around yours, and see. Or, you could just take one of the long very flexible canes and bury maybe 6 inches of it in the ground (first gently scrape what will be the underside of it), leaving maybe 10 inches of the very tip of the cane (with leaves) out of the ground, put a brick on the buried part so it stays buried, and WAIT a year or so, and it will probably make its own roots. Then you can cut the cane connecting it to the mother plant, and dig it up.

    Jackie

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked jacqueline9CA
  • 7 years ago
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    Roseseek I never gave the transition from spring to summer any thought! Here in Nanaimo we are of the "Bellows from Hades" type of change. In fact, we often have no spring at all especially now that global warming is affecting climate. Our usual pattern these days is to have icy, winter weather then THE VERY NEXT DAY zoom into 70+ degrees F. It is very rough on both plants and people. This year we are a lot cooler and wetter during May than normal. Even so, right now we are at 52 F. while tomorrow temperature is supposed to be 72 F. Wildly fluctuating. Your comment about Banksia rose really hit home. I had one once. Bloomed for such a short time, it was very disappointing. So I removed it. Now I understand it was the climate, not the rose. Jackie I've noticed CAB is easy to root. It's planted in a very narrow bed so not a lot of room to tip root as you suggest, but I may try it anyway! Really love this rose.

  • 7 years ago

    Dara, I lived in Sooke on Vancouver Island years ago, and the weather must have changed a lot since I don't remember that sudden transition from winter to "summer"; there definitely was a spring season, and summers were never what I would call hot. Not a good change, alas. I 'm so glad you've identified your rose. I don't know why, but having a name and a history for a rose makes all the difference in how one perceives it.

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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    Ingrid, weather has changed tremendously. Even with this change, Nanaimo was always different than Sooke. Nanaimo is situated in a rain shadow of nearby mountains, so is much drier than the Victoria region. As well, we have this nasty weather pattern that funnels Arctic air right down to us when it happens. In winter, this means an instant 20 degree drop to below freezing temperatures combined with sunshine. Cold and sunny. We continue to have these Arctic spill downs from the polar vortex into what should be spring. Then suddenly, they aren't and we are in Mediterranean conditions of hot and dry. Sooke is much more temperate, though all of Vancouver Island is feeling the effects of climate change. I am thrilled to know the identity of my rose too! It does make a difference. Somehow my mind 'owns' the rose more when I know what it is. Now I say "This is Climbing American Beauty rose" as opposed to "That annoying scraggly thing, though it does have a pretty flower."

  • 7 years ago

    As it turned out, we went from 10 C. or 52 F. to 25 C. or 77 F. today. Higher than the prediction above. Very abrupt temperature change.

  • 7 years ago
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    The temperature range you describe, Dara, is what I have here in my So. CA Mediterranean climate. I can generally count on the temperature to rise 20 degrees from morning to the hottest part of the day. Having Arctic spills sounds less than delightful, probably nasty for man, beast and plants. I'm so glad your rose has a name. It's very annoying for some reason not to know a rose's name; if nothing else you're not able to look up all the information of the rose which somehow gives a warm feeling of ownership, and in some strange way the rose even begins to look better, as you imply. When it's your own child it's not nearly as homely!

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 7 years ago

    Roseseek, I moved to the Santa Clarita Valley last year. “Bellows of Hades heat” pretty much describes the place. Throughout May we hardly got above 70 degrees, then — boinggg — it was 90+ today. I went around nervously checking all my drip hoses.

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked Sylvia Wendel
  • 7 years ago

    I am painfully familiar with what you describe, Sylvia. I lived in Canyon Country from 1994 through 2006 and had my garden in Newhall from 1989 through 2007. You can see what grew there here on its Help Me Find page. Keep in mind, that garden was exclusively watered by HAND. Encino, Zone 10b, followed Newhall's 9b, where that garden "experienced" one-hundred degrees variance from winter to summer (15 F to 115 F). Encino used to be cool in the afternoons until we changed everything by paving too much; building huge buildings with enormous roofs and dumping too much "stuff" in the air. The last "winter" we were there, the average December temperatures were in the high seventies to mid eighties. Now, thankfully, I'm back in Zone 9b again, only this one is nine miles from the Pacific with only sand dunes and open fields between us. Today was our hottest day of this year, 77, but tomorrow is to be 86, with a gradual slide over the next week back into the mid to low sixties!

    dara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8 thanked roseseek
  • 7 years ago
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    Two days after the 20+ temperature jump here in Nanaimo, we hit 33 C. or 91 F.! That was May 28. Now we are back down to 17 C. which is 62 F. Weather temperatures are all over the place. Very hard on plants and people.