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7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago

I grow a daylily by a Quebec hybridizer Daniel Matton , I have grown it for a number of years . I am 100 % sure t used to be listed on the AHS daylily database but I just checked and it is not there now ? I looked on NGA and there is a daylily called Antares but it is hybridized by someone named Hayward in 1938???? Matton only has his last 3 years worth of registrations listed on his website. Wondering what the heck is going on .


Comments (4)

  • 7 years ago

    Very strange indeed. Can you email him a copy of your picture and ask him about it?

    signet_gw(6b) thanked Brad KY 6b
  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Good idea Brad . I did exactly as you suggested and wrote to Daniel . He very kindly replied explaining the situation . Seems his plant is called D'antares while the other is called Antares . The D' stands for The in French . Anyway the AHS refused his choice of name because it was too close to the one registered by Hayward. Daniel's plant was already in distribution at the time .....he was just starting out.


    I find this funny ((odd not hilarious) because the AHS allow other hybridizers to reuse names with a prefix . MMiller is famous for this and has done this with older names but also in one case in particular that I know of where the name was not even 5 years old. He just stuck his " daylily moniker " in front of the name . Wonder why it is ok for the others and not Daniel .

  • 7 years ago

    I was on the registration committee of AHS for several years. It drove us crazy with people wanting to duplicate name or close to them. There are duplicate names in the database.

    I had one hybridizer want to use a name already registered. When we turned it down, he got very upset, writing a strong letter to each of us, insisting that since it was out of commerce, he should be allowed to use it. About a year later I found a big row of it growing in a commercial nursery. It was tempting to send him a plant but thought better of it.

    MMiller and others like to put their nursery moniker in front of their cultivar names. This is legal. Duplicating names is not.

  • 7 years ago

    The rules state that you cannot make a new name by putting 'the' in front of an existing one. That is different that putting 'Small World' in front of an existing name.


    I know even that can cause confusion. I know a lot of people just drop the 'Small World' part when writing the name. One of the first daylilies we bought came with the tag King Royal. Once I found out about the database of the AHS, I tried to find it to no avail. Later I found that it was really Wayside King Royale. I bet the lady bought it from Wayside Nursery.


    About duplicate names, the problem is fixed now, but when I first started hybridizing, I put some pollen on South Seas. I checked the ploidy before doing this. The database said it was a dip (I assumed it was a tet). I got six lovely pods that grew large and then shriveled away. Later I realized the color description did not match South Seas (there was no picture). Much later I found out that there had been an earlier South Seas, which supposedly was never in commerce, so they released the name for reuse. Apparently they neglected to change it in the database until recently.

    Nancy