link from the hosta library: https://myhostas.be/db/view/Paul's+Glory

any idea why all the glaucous coating is worn off???

ken

Doesn't even look like Paul's Glory......if it was, it would be turning into Wheaton Blue

Any past years pictures of this hosta? If it would be sporting to Wheaton Blue, the leaves look very green and shiny in comparison. Any chance it’s not PG? I myself found out I had 4 mislabeled by the store/nursery when I purchased them.

Looks like a late season Paul's Glory to me.

tj

This photo was just taken a few days ago. Unfortunately, I haven't any other pictures of this hosta because my computer died and I lost all earlier garden photos.

I'm thinking it's Paul's Glory but it may not be because the tag is long gone. I figured that the yellow hosta was dying back and a new green one was emerging.

Ken, please explain what you mean about the worn glaucous coating. Does that mean some kind of disease or virus? Should I dig them both up ... separate and/or dispose? thanks for the link to the hosta library.

the blue on any hosta. .is actually a waxy coating that reflects the blue sky... and that is why some days they are bluer than others ...

the wax is heaviest in spring.. when they look the bluest ... and any number of things wear it off during the season ... rain after a hot day.. overhead watering... etc ... e.g. lawn irrigation does it ...

nothing to worry about.. nor anything to do.. except trying not to water the leaves ...

now whats this about the be.hosta saying its out of perry true blue ... and someone else saying its wheaton blue .... all i have is some dim recall of something reverting to wheaton ...

hmmm... here wheaton is correct: https://myhostas.be/db/view/Wheaton+Blue

now why in the world wouldnt it REVERT back to what it came from ... rather than sporting FORWARD to something else ... it just gave me a headache ... lol ...

sounds like a long boring article for warren pollack ... lol ... just kidding.. i used to love warrens ramblings ...

ken

So ken, how would you know if it's reverting or sporting?

bk

I have always had some green leaves in my Paul’s Glories I have 3 since the original has been divided twice. It grows very well and I chop out the green each year.

Just doesn’t look like PG

Interesting. Everything we know about PG may not be true. PG is a sport of Perry's True Blue. Really quite incredible to get a gold colored sport from a (true) blue.

Regardless, a hosta reverting back to its origin is in its DNA; and not that unusual.

I have read you are supposed to cut the revert portion out of the hosta (roots and all) otherwise the revert (DNA) may take over the sport. The revert appears to be consuming the sport in Molie's case.

I dug out a revert of PG 3-5 years ago and planted it separately (didn't have the heart to throw it away). Here is a photo of my PG revert. I call that color green; not blue. I have blue that look blue. Only recently (this year) has my PG revert shown some slight yellow streaking in the center!

Perry's True Blue:

Peter Ruh of Ohio registered this cultivar in 1981 on behalf of the originator, Paul Hofer. It is a seedling of H. 'Sieboldiana' which produces a giant size, 30 inch high mound that is 5 feet wide. The leaves are broadly ovate shaped and have thick substance. Its near white flowers bloom in late June.

According to The Hostapedia by Mark Zilis (2009), "This name represents more than one seedling, though they generally are all blue-leaved, H. 'Sieboldiana' types. Its most famous sport, 'Paul's Glory', was probably derived from a form of 'Perry's True Blue' that is a H. 'Sieboldiana' x 'Fortunei' hybrid. The flowers of 'Paul's Glory' (lavender) and blooming time (July into August) do not match the most commonly grown forms of 'Perry's True Blue'."

Schmid (1991) lists John J. Grullemansof Ohio as one of the originators.

Now that clears that up! Hilarious. Oh, and don't click on the Fortunei if you don't want to be further confused.

http://www.plantsgalore.com/hostas/cultivars/P/Hosta_Perrys_True_Blue.htm

Sometime this fall before frost I would dig it up and gently wash off soil. Then you can trace the green foliage back and remove the parts that aren’t variegated. Pop the originals back into the garden, and pot up the others in an old nursery pot and place on the curb with a sign that says free. I bet they disappear.

gardencool..I love the hosta in the bottom right corner of the PG revert pic..I don't have it..could you give me the name?

5cents, well, over the years I've gotten hostas from various sources without tags. I've got 4-5 true Franks (Francis Williams). Now this one in in the above photo looks very similiar to Frank except it never gets the leaf desiccation Franks (and all of mine) are known for. So on that basis it could be an OBL (Oliver Bailey Langford) . I'm going with OBL. It is in full shade!

Oh, and that is City Lights top left. CL is limey green and getting large. I've never seen another one even in 500 variety hosta gardens.

gardencool..I don't have Oliver Bailey Langford but when you mentioned the name a light bulb went off..I saw it in a catalogue once and thought "that's beautiful..love to have it" and put it on my "unwritten" wish list..City Lights is attractive too..I don't have it but I have August Moon which is sort of similar..I like to add colors other than "regular" green to brighten up my woodland..

Okaaaay! So the hosta probably wasn't Paul's Glory. I actually wasn't sure. In all the years here, I've become careless about saving the tags. :(

Thanks, Ken for your explanation .... loved your response to BKay2000. I did get a bit lost reading on in all the comments. Lol

NHBabs, I'll follow your suggestion and dig the whole mound up to split the two plants, but like gaerdencool, I don't have the will to throw the other hosta out. May just look for another spot before "kicking it to the curb!"

That 5cent one, reminds me a bit of Tea Time. Love City Lights!

Paul's Glory was among my initial Hosta purchases after moving to Ohio 4 years ago. It was very pot bound with many eyes and didn't really color up very well that next year (in August with August Moon next to it):

It has looked better every year since with no reverting for me (yet) and no spin out bag under the maples (with St. Paul getting started in a spin out bag to its right).

City Lights was one of my first purchases back in 2016. It became deer food and a slow starter for me despite being in a spin out bag. This place is in full dappled shade. Here it is this year on the right. I had planted Olive Bailey Langdon on the left at the same time, but it never grew well since the maple roots invaded its spin out bag. I've potted it up for now and replaced it with Waiting in Vein.

Gardencool, my Paul's Glory reversions of a few years ago look just like yours. More dark green than blue. I dug the whole thing and separated, put the reversions way in the back of a bed to fill space. Planted the remaining PG in a better space than those. It HAD been a very large ~ 16 year old plant; once the reversions were removed, there was not much PG left.

A few years later, there is no sign of the PG. I have wondered if growing with the reversions for a few years somehow weakened it.

I may have one, unknown variety, that is doing the same? But not sure as I moved these a few years ago and may have planted two together

What is a spin out bag?

Hosta lovers use spin out bags to plant hosta in. It looks much like a typical fabric bag. It has some kind of coating which helps to keep invading roots from getting into the fabric bag.

So they plant the hosta in the bag in the ground? How to the hosta roots grow out if in this bag? I am confused ……

Yes, the hosta is planted into the spin out bag and then into the ground. The hosta roots do not grow out of the bag. It is the tree roots that grow INTO the bag through the seam or through the fabric. The bag stops the tree roots from entering the bag for 2, 3 or more years. Just depends what kind of tree roots are near the spin out bag. Some tree roots are more aggressive than others.

I have a two story plus red maple. I was told by the arborist that it’s a ”real” red maple ………not exactly sure what he meant by that!! :-)

I don't know what the arborist meant by that comment either!

Trees with surface roots are aspens, beeches, river birches, certain maples (red, silver, sugar, Freeman, and Norway), pin oaks, spruces, sweetgums, tulip poplars, and willows. These trees have more shallow roots and are more difficult to garden under---especially when mature.

Back to the original posting, that isn't Paul's Glory but looks like Borwick Beauty or Color Glory. The solid colored eye looks like a reversion back to Elegans.