I'm sorry to be a wet blanket, Ellen, but I seriously question whether ANY rose is going to be happy where you want to put it, precisely for the reasons you state. Good luck.

This is fair! The spot gets excellent afternoon shade, which is why I’m hopeful there’s a chance. If the rose people say it‘s hopeless I’m going to turn to the fragrant plant people and see what might work that way. Or I’ll get an ht and whack it like I’m exploring the Amazon, one of the two.

I wonder if Richard's Rose.... it probably gets a little taller than 3x3.... but it will stay narrow.... but does get taller. I have one.... and I kept it in a pot for the longest time.... til it kept tipping over..... but while in a pot it was in a pretty shady location..... It is not an OGR but kind of looks like one.... another rose that would probably be ok in a shady location is Medallion..... it is a HT..... but I planted one at my office before I knew they needed morning sun.... I also built a raised bed right on top of the asphalt next to a white building.... it gets afternoon blazing sun.... and no morning sun and it really dose quite well.... I have had him since 1996 and he is still growing strong.... he grows tall, but I keep mine at the office cut lower than the ones I have at my office.

Is this inside ?

It‘s like a teeny courtyard - surrounded on all four sides.

If Mrs Dudley Cross, who is a tea, did well there, why not try something related to a tea but smaller? Maybe a small China? It may not work, but could be worth a try!

Angel Face can take some shade, according to Heirloom Roses, and has a strong perfume. Ballerina and Dainty Bess might work but have milder fragrance.

I would suggest the Drift Roses (like Peach or Apricot Drift), but they lack a scent; they would fit, though. Ballerina and Dainty Bess wouldn't fit in that spot, I'd think, not to mention DB is very thorny. I grow Angel Face in a dry climate, so I don't worry about blackspot, but in this enclosed area it might be a problem if air circulation is not good. Here is Angel Face. Diane

Diane is right. I was thinking of their size in my zone. Big difference.

Jackie that rose looks very appealing! it’s hard to tell from pictures but is it a deep pink or red in real life?

Oooh! Thank you everyone for suggestions - Jackie that rose looks exquisite! I think the Sacramento City Cemetery has one I can go look at.

Oursteelers - I would call it a very dark magenta. The blooms open VERY dark, and then get a little lighter as they age, but always stay magenta.

Jackie

What about a small climber? If it grew big enough you could train it up over the windows/doors. I have Clotilde Soupert by my front door in our courtyard. It is under the eves to keep it out of the rain and inspite of the humid environment and lack of air movement it stays BS free. It's only issue is it's in too much shade and the soil isn't acidic enough. Even with the conditions it's very healthy.

Maybe Marie Pavie? I don't grow it (I have a young plant of its sport Marie Daly), but HMF describes it as nearly thornless, shade tolerant, fragrant and disease resistant.

comtessedelacouche - That picture is what mine look like when fully open. Earlier, there is more dark purple in the buds and opening blooms.

Jackie

comtessedelacouche - The spot gets probably 7 hours of direct sun and 4 more of bright shade. So I don't worry too much about shade tolerance. Although I do appreciate everyone factoring it in!

weekend gardener - She was on the first list I made except I seem to remember that she gets extremely large here and as a polyantha, can't be pruned for size. Of course, maybe not being in the 14+ hours of sun we get in the summer would keep her less enthusiastic.

I second climbing clothilde soupert and add ghislain de feligonde

Doesn't anyone else see any issues of fungus and insects, plus physical plant burn from intense reflected/radiated heat from glass and stucco surfaces in these conditions? Lack of air movement; heat with direct sun, against glass, stucco and brick... I hope you intend to use systemic insecticide and fungicide to mitigate spider mites, scale, black spot, rust and probable mildew. There have been some nice suggestions made, particularly for spaces where the plant won't be physically cooked against hot glass and stucco and where there will be air circulation, but from personal experience trying to accommodate homeowners who demanded roses in situations and conditions similar to what you are presenting, you will be better off growing upright rosemary or a tomato.

"The issue, to me, is the killer combo of limited air movement during
the wet season, the heat of the sunny season, and the small space." "The spot gets probably 7 hours of direct sun and 4 more of bright shade."

It does sound worrying, Kim -- however, the OP mentions that Mrs Dudley Cross grew large there, so perhaps there is some hope?

Kim that is why I recommended Medallion.... I had made so many mistakes when I planted him.... I planted it on the west of a white building.... right next to it and it does not get good air circulation... it is very hot and humid there.... it does not get morning sun but when it gets the afternoon sun it blares down on it..... It also does not get good drainage due to the fact that I build a raised bed right on top of part of the asphalt parking lot.... The poor thing has so many odds against it due to my non understanding of how to care for and plant a rose when I first planted this guy so many years ago.... At my office I do not spray for anything except chili thrips and Medallion seems to do well even with all the odds against him..... I just don't know if he would be the correct size for her.

roseseek - I was so excited when I moved in to have a tomato there, but the site gets just enough sun for the tomato plant to grow like gangbusters and set fruit but not quite enough to ripen all of them before the end of August. It’s not a hopeless spot - given how happy Mrs. Dudley cross was. I was just so hopeful someone here would have experience with something that is as disease resistant and heat tolerant as she is, but that is also small and fragrant.

Ellen I am sure you know this oh, but I just collect all my tomatoes as soon as they start to turn ripe and store them in a bowl with ventilation in the kitchen or in a paper bag if I want to speed things up. They ripen beautifully. I had to do this because the squirrels would get them as soon as they ripened so if I wanted anything to eat I had to get them before that. My mom did this all the time and we had tomatoes up until Christmas in Upstate New York. Of course I really love things made with green tomatoes so I'm not so concerned about that but anyway it's just a thought. I think you could have a rose and a tomato plant there! :-)

I've heard good things about Life of the Party, I think its called, The Huntington anniversary rose is what I am writing about. It is small, c. 3'x3', and blends from yellow to purple. It is supposed to be marvelously fragrant. It has an Austin shaped bloom.

Lux.

HU - I've never heard of Life of the Party! The comments on Helpmefind are very impressive! Thank you!

Vaporvac - we have the same squirrel problem here and I was so smug about them not getting to the atrium! I've found that cherry tomatoes don't do the post-ripe thing quite as well as the larger ones but I could just be being picky.

Vapor, I do the same thing to my tomatoes to protect them from deer. Now, we have acquired a dastardly little varmint squirrel, so I'll really have to double down. Maybe having my tomatoes surrounded by my growing garlic plants will help ward off these villains. The garlic is growing great guns, and this is the first time I've tried it. Diane