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Subcontractor accusing us of messing it up?

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

We are starting to build our home. We hired a guy to come out and site prep/dirt work. He's basically supposed to build a flat level dirt pad for the concrete foundation to sit on. When he was done, the ground was higher by 15 inches on one side and also not to size as specified on the plans. He says it wasn't like that when he left and is demanding final payment. He's also threatening to sue us for theft of services? Can he even do that?
The contract states 35% down (which we paid) and 65% at final completion. We have pictures that show one end is higher than the other and dirt isn't compacted on one side. We also have a licensed surveyor and engineer coming out to add to our documentation.
The main thing that he accused us of is tampering with the pad after he left. We don't have a compactor roller or skid steer. And we have pictures taken 30 minutes after his crew left.

Comments (20)

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Who supervised his work? Who and where is the GC in this? What does the contract state about payments and approving completed work? But can he do this? Absolutely he can file a mechanics lien and then you both would need to present your case in court but it could also make a big mess for you with the lender and payments to you.

    Kay Belle thanked millworkman
  • 6 years ago

    Millworkman is right about the mechanics lien. That's why you need to document his mess up of the pad so there is no doubt that you needed to bring in someone else. Consult with a construction attorney. You are just getting started on your build. May as well have the consult earlier rather than later so you have a handle on how this process works. In my area, if a contractor files a fraudulent mechanics lien, there can be major repercussions for the contractor and criminal penalties. However, it also can be difficult to prove. Check out your area.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    What you worried about ahead of time... If you have a licensed surveyor and engineer coming out, let them evaluate the grading, etc and if it was done wrong he can't come after you and he will have to return and fix it or you will go after him if he doesn't... If a licensed surveyor says it's done right, pay the man, simple as that.

    Kay Belle thanked GN Builders L.L.C
  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Surveyor and/or civil engineer will determine if the pad is proper as well as compaction testing if needed. Hold payment until they certify. Your foundation contractor will also have an expert opinion. How much of your project is DIY?

    Kay Belle thanked Jeffrey R. Grenz, General Contractor
  • 6 years ago

    We wanted to get the house dried in before coming in and doing anything ourselves. The contractor also dug 4 feet into the land removing the natural ground before bringing in dirt. The contract also says 2000 yards of dirt and we counted 20 trucks (at 10 yards each) which only makes it 200 yards.

  • 6 years ago

    Where is your GC in this? Or are you GC'ing yourselves?

  • 6 years ago

    My foundation contractor has already told this dirt guy thay he cannot build a foundation on top of it.

  • 6 years ago

    We are GCing ourselves.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Tandem truck can carry around 18 yards of fill, you would need 110+ truckloads of dirt, that seems way over the top. In your case, he would need 200 truck-loads of dirt, if he has a single axle dump... It makes no sense.

    Wait until the surveyor comes and see what happens.

    Good luck

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    2000 yards of what? cut? fill? net? A 4 foot dig 100x100 is 1500 yards of cut plus you had fill.


    I just paid about $25K for a 900 yard cut/export and pad without fill costs. Did you get bids that compare to this contractor? Bids for excavating may be fixed price or time and material or usually a blend. Hitting the pad heights and dimensions are more important than the actual yardage.


    Your foundation contractor rejected, doesn't sound good. Is the excavator licensed?


    Also, this should be added to the DIY section.

  • 6 years ago

    Ok, let me get this straight......he's saying that when he left the pad was 100% according to plans and ready to build on but then you all came in after he left and sabatouged your own project by raising up one side 15", changing the size of the pad and UNCOMPACTED one side. Am I understanding this correctly?

  • 6 years ago

    architectrunnerguy.. yup basically.

  • 6 years ago

    You have zero to 1% leverage over any contractor when you self GC. You’re a one off project that they’ll never do work for again. Since you did manage to get what sounds like one good contractor, why didn’t your foundation contractor provide the dirt work? Even as a subcontractor?

    You don’t need a transit to verify something that off. A simple water level can verify basics here. The connections, knowledge, skills, and supervision that a GC brings to the job costs you a lot in time and mistakes to be able to replicate. You should be deeply questioning your decision to self GC.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Well, next you'll be out there in the dead of night knocking down walls and cutting truss supports. Hell, let's just move wiring around and hope the house burns down. That'll show these subcontractors!!!


    Seriously, this guy sounds crazy. "Yeah your Honor, these people took a perfectly good pad and purposely messed it up".

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    I think an actual general contractor would have paid him and sent him on his way never to be used again. There are a lot of people looking for work out there that have integrity.

  • 6 years ago

    You have zero to 1% leverage over any contractor when you self GC

    I think 65% payment remaining due provides pretty significant leverage. :-)

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall in small claims court when the guy explains to the judge that you came out in the dead of night and moved all his dirt.

  • 6 years ago

    ^^^ 'cause if you even COULD do that - you wouldn't have needed him in the first place!!!!


    Kay Belle thanked just_janni
  • 6 years ago

    As to his ability to file a mechanic's lien, check your state law carefully. Most state have very specific, mandatory rules about steps the contractor must take in ADVANCE of the work to be able to file a valid lien. And often, filing of invalid liens will entitle the homeowner to get her attorney fees - if needed - paid. Don't let him scare you with empty threats or worthless filings - check your state laws.

    Kay Belle thanked qam999
  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Get your legal advice from a local attorney. Lien laws can be different if you have a direct relationship with the contractor (you do) so often notice may not be required and they have more time to file.