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Seeking advice for insulation in a daylight basement wall

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

Last year my wife and I bought an early 1900s house in Massachusetts and we have a long list of improvements and other projects. One of them is to make the wood-framed wall of our otherwise fieldstone basement look a little more polished and make sure it is adequately insulated.


This wall has a door that leads out to a side yard, a window on each side of the door and old drywall that was installed in small sections instead of solid sheets (lots of unnecessary seams) and was never mudded or papered over. When I pulled off a few pieces of drywall I saw that the insulation bays were filled with 'Gold Bond Rock Wool' (see picture below). Before a Google search to make sure it was not likely to contain asbestos I had never heard of the product, and I don't know if the stuff in this wall is in good enough condition to provide any insulate value. I have a few questions related to this little project:


1) What would be an appropriate way to DIY re-insulate this wall? I have very little experience with insulating (it sounds simple enough), but I don't want to select the wrong product or install it incorrectly and ultimately harm the structure.


I spent several hours googling, but it appears that my situation is uncommon on DIY boards (stone foundation with one wall framed with lumber). For other scenarios (like a concrete basement with a walkout) I have read either using fiberglass batts or mineral wool and then drywalling over. However, given the age of the house the lumber is truly 2x4 and there do not appear to be products designed for that specific depth. Solutions I have read include compressing insulation designed for modern 2x6 or adding a thin layer of XPS foam to the bay, securing it with spray foam and then installing batts made for modern 2x4 framing. However, one of the topics that keeps coming up is moisture/vapour barrier. According to the people who insulated the rest of my walls with blown-in cellulose, our aging vinyl siding is attached directly over the original clapboard siding, so I doubt there is Tyvek house wrap or anything like that. We are also aware that we have some slight moisture issues in the basement that we are working on abating. Given that we have a stone foundation, that it will never be a finished space and that it will probably always have somewhat elevated humidity (even with a dehumidifier), what would be the most appropriate way to re-insulate that wall?


2) Once the appropriate insulation has been installed in the bays, and the drywall has been reinstalled (using the fewest, largest sheets possible) should I even bother trying to mud over the drywall and then paint? I would like to make that one wall look finished-ish, even if all it will ever have is some light shelving or hooks to store things to be used in the yard, but if moisture will be a problem as a result I won't put in the extra effort.


3) At the very least I plan to put the drywall back up (even if over the original rock wool). What is the most appropriate way to deal with the corner where the drywall meets the adjacent stone wall (see picture below)? My first thoughts were to perhaps parge the stones along the edge of the drywall or shoot in some low-expansion foam. That said, I have limited experience, so I don't know if those are reasonable options. Right now that kind of corner 'joint' is filled with steel wool or some other fibrous stuff just shoved in there by a previous owner (lots of that kind of patching in this basement...).


Thank you for making it this far.


Any suggestions you have (including links to other sources if that will save you time explaining it) are greatly appreciated.



A closeup of the framing of this wall as well as the condition of the existing rock wool insulation. I don't know exactly how the exterior wall is constructed, but there did appear to be some kind of paper product on the other side of those horizontal slats.



View of the existing rock wool where the wood-framed wall meets the stone foundation at a corner. When the drywall is installed it almost touches the masonry. The base of the wood framing sits on top of a low rock wall that rises above the (thin) cement floor. The rigid board at the top was installed professionally as part of an energy efficiency incentive program.

Comments (4)

  • 6 years ago

    I'm not sure if this would help you and how much you want to remove, but I've had this pinned for my house for a long time unfortunately other pressing needs than updating the basement.


    https://www.insofast.com/products/ux-2-insofast-insulation-panel.html

  • 6 years ago

    The building industry for some time now in basements has been engaged in a haphazard "cross your fingers" approach to trying to insulate without creating mold/moisture/etc problems by using vapor barriers, liquid membranes, sealants, etc.


    It turns out it was mostly for naught. The research shows the best insulation configuration is to just simply let the dang vapor go where it wants. No plastic, no vapor barrier, nothing is best when it comes to the insulation, even in cold climates.


    Rock wool is actually a good product for basements, I'd leave it, but I'd peel that vapor barrier off. Then I'd get some mildew resistant sheet rock(the green stuff) and drywall over it. The green sheet rock is not in any way moisture or mold invincible, but it is slightly better than normal sheet rock. Make sure to keep the sheet rock up off your slab and 1/2" or so away from that corner you talked about.


    Also, in the corner, if that is an untreated stud, I'd pull it and put a new ground contact rated treated stud. They "technically" are not approved for inside use but you don't want untreated wood up against your foundation. You can seal between the new stud and the foundation with caned foam and put a piece of synthetic trim like PVC or whatever you want in to cover the gap between the drywall and stone.

  • 6 years ago

    Oh also, that hard foam board they put in your joist bays around your sill? You should rip that out if you ever finish your other stone walls for any reason or seal them. It will rot out your sill plate. Your house does not have a capillary break between your sill and your foundation, it is too old, so your foundation relies on inward drying to shed relative humidity. If you seal your stone walls up the humidity will only have one place left to go and that is into your sill plate, which now has nowhere left to dry out itself because of that foam board.

  • 6 years ago

    Thanks, Super Lumen. Would routine repointing of the rest of the foundation walls create problems for the sill plate given that it has now been insulated around? Repointing is about all we plan on doing with any of the masonry down there. Some of the walls are already coated with some kind of white material (paint? white wash? I'm not really sure; you can see it in that picture), but we don't plan on having whatever that is put anywhere else.


    Would it make sense to mud over the green board or just leave it? We can easily live with visible seams if putting anything over it will be problematic down the road.