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Gold Blush blind Shoots: Why?

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

Hi All,

I realize few grow this rose, but I thought perhpaps others have had experience with blind shoots or growing R. Moschata. Gold Blush is a gem of a thorny rose that bloomed up a storm since planting in the ground last year 2019. I had so looked forward to its Spring flush, but every single stem has blind growth. The foliage is fine and there is zero evidence of midge. It has vigorous growth with many new basals, just zero propensity to bloom. We had an unusually weird spring with temps in the 80s very early on followed by hard frosts multiple times. In read this entry from HMF regarding one of its progenitors R. Moschata herm. it seems cold weather may delay blooming. Could this account for GB's odd behaviour or does it need more severe pruning to flower? Does anyone in a colder climate grow this rose? I'm just looking for an explanation and solution whether it be patience, pruning, training or nutrition. I KNOW this rose can perform! Thanks in advance.

"The Compleat Florist (2nd ed. 1706)
Louis Liger d'Auxerre

Of the Rosa Moschata, alias Damask-Roses.
Your Damask Rose-Tree, requires a good Kitchin-Garden-Ground, a hot Sun, and frequent watering. One Advantage it has, that 'tis not afraid of Cold, and yields Flowers several Months in the Year.

The Rules of Gardening injoin us in every Autumn and Spring, to cut the old Branches of the Damask-Rose Tree to within Half a Foot of the Ground, that the Eyes which there remain may give Rise to many new Branches, which being unexhausted, will produce Roses in very great abundance."

Emphasis added.

Also,I know this isn't an antique, but thought some on the AF may grow R.M and have pertinent experience.

Comments (14)

  • 6 years ago

    Vapor, I gave mine away after 3 years. It never bloomed much, maybe a handful of flowers, but the main reason was that it did not fit the spot I had. Shrub itself was very vigorous, but not many blooms...but i never had the blooms you describe. Since you had lots of blooms before, hope you can figure out what is going on...

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked ladybug A 9a Houston area
  • 6 years ago

    Isn't it the screwy weather, Vapor?

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 6 years ago

    Yes mine had beautiful blooms and constant last year especially after it was in the ground for a couple of months. However this is not just low blooming it's just that it's completely leafed out and vigorous a new Basil's but zero bugs formin. I just wonder if its parentage has something to do with its requirements for blooming. Sheila, do you grow this Rose? Have you ever had this happen with any of your other Rose's? Do you grow or moschata?

  • 6 years ago

    I don't grow this rose, but I still wonder if your erratic weather affected bud formation. Maybe it could try again. I had a Tea rose, Comtesse F. Hamilton that did something like this as a new rose. It sent up blind canes that looked stumpy and weird. I really thought something was wrong with it. Since Tea roses were new to me, I hung in there and did nothing. After what seemed like forever these blind branches sent out new canes with buds and it filled out and looked glorious. None of my other roses did this. Some Tea roses are slow to start, but this was odd. I realize Teas can look awkward at the beginning, but this was ridiculous. All's well that ends well in my case.

    In your case, with your rose more established, I really blame the weather.

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 6 years ago

    I guess this is maybe another disaster I can blame on the weather. I saw that in that HMF entry it said that it liked hot weather so maybe now that our weather is normal in the 80s it will set bud. I also wonder if pruning it might help stimulate buds s

  • 6 years ago

    My Rosa moschata doesn't bloom until about July 4th -- how early depends on how long it experiences "heat" during the growing season. But then it keeps going until cut back by hard frost. Maybe this is how 'Gold Blush' grows.....


    :-/


    ~Christopher

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked AquaEyes 7a NJ
  • 6 years ago

    It might be blind...mine has been blooming a lot—but it’s warmer here. Maybe once it warms up a bit more there? 😊

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked Perma n’ Posies/9A FL
  • 6 years ago

    I might wait and see. Not cut back.

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 6 years ago

    Vapor, sorry this is happening to you. Sounds frustrating. Something similar happened with my Mme Anisette for several years before it ever had a bud. I tried pruning it, but just got more blind growth. I think yours is different cause though. I am going to guess it is the weird weather.

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked totoro z7b Md
  • 6 years ago

    The plant is going to produce what IT needs, not what WE want. ARS funded research in the 1970's regarding florist roses determined that it required 35 perfect leaves to produce one perfect flower (for florist type roses). With that in mind, if the rose is putting out foliage with no flowers, and knowing that foliage FEEDS the plant, wouldn't it make sense that the plant requires more food, not necessarily fertilizer, but resources of its own creation, before it is ready to ovulate/flower? The plant is growing in preparation to ovulate, then become pregnant, to reproduce itself. Everything in Nature is programmed to reproduce itself. It isn't ready to ovulate because it obviously requires more food. So, what's so mysterious about "blind growth"? Don't cut it off as that will simply delay its ability to feed itself and be able to flower. Perhaps the issue is quality of light. Perhaps the issue is temperature. Whatever it is, the rose knows better than WE do and it's going to do what IT requires for the next step. Keep making it happy so it can accomplish its goal.

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked roseseek
  • 6 years ago

    Thank you all. Roseseek, I'm trying to give it what it needs, just trying to figure out what that is! LOL! :-)). I didn't plant it in the ground until July, so don't know if this is normal for this rose, but I had so much aberrant growth on other roses due to the cold snaps, that I was just wondering if that was the cause or was it due to being a late bloomer or perhaps needing a period of warmth. We've been 20deg below normal for much of this Spring until recently. Christopher, I think its parent is influencing its bloom time, especially as its so near the species. Thank you for your observations on R.Moschata. Rekha, I'm sorry yours wasn't successful. I thought yours was still young when you commented on a post last year. Oh well. It should do something by three (3) years. Let's hope mine repeats its performance of last year. Totoro and Sheila, good advice that I'll follow. PnP, thank you for your feedback. It's great that you also grow this successfully. Let's compare notes in the future. Please feel free to comment and post pics on this post. :-)

    Gold Blush

  • 5 years ago

    Hello Vaporvac, when did this end up blooming?? weeks later or months later than the general run of first bloom???


    Thanks!!! Nate

    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley thanked raingreen
  • 4 years ago

    Sorry I missed your response Vaporvac!!! Thanks for the update. Nate