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HVAC Running Longer than normal

6 years ago

Hello - My HVAC Unit # 1 for my house started blowing hot air, I had my HVAC Guy take a look at it, upon checking it was empty on freon, he filled up the freon and within 30 minutes it was nice and cold in the house.


Later in the evening, it was doing the same. The HVAC Guy came by next day, checked and all freon was gone which indicated a leak. He filled it up with Nitro and we found that there were pipes rubbing against each other in the Condensor (Outside), he separated them and welded it, filled it up with Nitros again, didn't see the pressure going down so he emptied it out and filled up with freon, however the AC wasn't blowing cold air like it did the day before, my HVAC guy said it could be because yesterday it wasn't hot as it's today. So give it some time.


We both noticed that the gauge on the condensor was showing bubbles and the lines were sweating like they do. He still pointed towards the weather and left.


The AC didn't perform like it does, he showed up a week later and said the system or lines has Air in it and needs to be sucked out. He did bring some sort of pump that he connected and ran it for few minutes to get the air out of the lines.


He also said that one of the valve seems to be acting up, so I am not going to open it all the way because it can go bad or may get stuck and loose all the pressure (didn't understand properly)


After that I could feel the heat coming out of the condensor fan, the lines were sweating and you could feel little cooler air, not cold though. However the bubbles were still there, since then my AC has been running for long and has trouble catching up with weather.


I normally set it to 80, when the living room temperature hits 81, AC comes on. However if it gets hot outside (Texas) then it keeps running and the living room temperature rises to 82, 83, 84 or 85, the AC keeps running but not cold air or cooler air.


I don't know what's going on and he's not answering his phone or responding to my texts.


My AC keeps running longer than normal, cool air but not cold like it used to, sometimes I manually have to turn it off/on to give it a break.


Is it a bad valve? or still air in the pipes/system? See the video. One video shows some sweat and bubbles, the other one shows bubbles and no sweat.







My thermostat is EcoBee 3 which I have had for few years now. I changed my filters again after the freon was charged.


Any help or guidance is appreciated!!



Comments (10)

  • 6 years ago

    Do you have a contract with them, I get first in live service since with my contract.

  • 6 years ago

    Hello Raye - I don't have any contract with them. I want to call another vendor to take a look at it, however I am looking for ideas or questions that I can educate myself and ask to make sure they don't misguide me into doing something that is not really needed.

  • 6 years ago

    Thank you so much for your reply and the link to your website.


    Thermostat has been at the same setting before all this happened. It also appears to be working correctly. Ecobee3 is what I am using.


    Air Vents are in the same position before all this happened. Nothing has changed to restrict air flow. The issue I am having is not enough cold air coming out of the vents vs enough.


    Filters replaced before and after this issue.

  • 6 years ago

    To your knowledge did the technician evacuate the system when he repaired the leak? When he returned to do it again, did he recover the refrigerant or just capture it inside the compressor?

  • 6 years ago

    Thank you for your reply. When he repaired the leak, he didn't evacuate the system, he simply filled it up with Nitros to confirm the leak has stopped and then emptied the Nitros and refilled with refrigerant.


    When he returned again, he said that the refrigerant was stuck inside the compressor so he didn't have to capture any, he just connected a pump type device to evacuate the system. He only did it for 5 minutes or so.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Let me start off by saying I am not a pro, I do my own work at my home and rentals and when it gets too deep I have people I call. That said, if he did not evacuate the system after the leak was fixed he could have potentially introduced contaminants and/or air into they system. When you called him back he should have taken that opportunity to evacuate the system completely and pull a vacuum. It takes quite a bit loner than 5 minutes to pull a proper vacuum and even if you can pull vacuum that quickly it should be verified with a set of manifold gauges. Sounds like the guy just wanted to get out of there.

    At this point I would call another company out. Tell them to evacuate all the refrigerant, do not capture it in the compressor, it is possible that refrigerant is contaminated. Do a good purge with Nitrogen. Have them install a line drier and then pull a proper vacuum on the system and refill with new clean refrigerant. Assuming you don't have any other system issues this should get you back up and running properly. Don't let that idiot anywhere near you equipment again.

  • 6 years ago

    Hello Kevinande - I appreciate your response. I called a new guy and told him exactly what I posted here. He recommended exactly what you had said. I'll tell you what he did and you can tell me what I may have missed.


    He came on Sunday 6/14


    - He emptied/evacuated all the freon

    - Added a vaccum pump and let it run for an hour

    - Filled up new freon (R22). The one thing I missed was, he didn't weigh before and after.

    - He claims to have filled 9lbs freon (my condensor is outside and the lines run to the attic)


    After everything said and done, the A/C started, there were no bubbles displaying in the gauge, the pipe felt cooler not sweating, it definitely felt cooler than the normal warm air. When the A/C was turned on, the current room temperature displayed by my ecobee was 85 and the set range was 80, however the compressor ran non-stop for about 8 hours till I manually turned it off. It dropped from 85 to 81 but it couldn't bring it to 80.


    I notified the guy, he said to leave it running till it reaches the desired temperature, then it should cycle on / off as needed. It never hit 80 and I had to manually cycle it on / off.


    6/15 - The next day, I let it run again, same thing, as soon as the outdoor temperature was 90, my AC kept running till I manually turned it on / off


    6/16 - I decided to try something different, I put a fan towards my thermostat. When I did that, it helped bring the temperature down on the thermostat sensor and allowed the A/C to cycle on and off and maintain 80.


    6/17 - I reached out to the guy who came on Sunday, told him what has been going on still. He said time to replace your unit. Other than that he wasn't willing to troubleshoot it further


    6/17 - I called another guy who came and checked, said the freon is slightly low. He asked me to capture the temperature on the vents, return and thermostat.


    Vents - 80 and Return 83 and Thermostat 86


    6/18 - The 3rd guy came and added 1 lb of freon this afternoon. The A/C seems to be cycling on and off however the fan is still pointed towards the thermostat.


    Does it sound like I need to swap my Ecobee? I've already reset it 2 times and didn't notice anything different.

  • 6 years ago

    Hello Sajeed, my apologies for not responding sooner. I was involved in a traffic collision and have been unable to online until now. and I am not particularly fond of trying to do things on a phone so my online world was paused until I had access to a PC. At any rate have you made any progress since your last posting?

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I am no expert either, but I was wondering why you're turning the AC off before it reached the set point? I would let it run until it does reach the set point (obviously overnight but perhaps for several days). Keep a record of the temperature at several locations, including at the thermostat, at the vents, and the outside temperature. If it does go down to the set point, I would lower the set point (to 75?) and repeat. See what the steady-state temperature is.

  • 5 years ago

    Hey Guys, sorry for MIA. I had this resolved couple of weeks after my last post. I reached out to another AC Guy who was referred to me by a friend.


    He was headed towards my place and I was describing him the chain of events, when I mentioned to him that I could feel the heat coming out of the vent, he's like "I think I know what the problem is, your AC and Heater are both running at the same time".


    Turns out the there's some selector switch or limiter switch that had gone bad, he temporarily disconnected the heat and AC started blowing cold air like it was supposed to.


    He's due back this month to replace the switch to make sure the house is ready for winter.


    Once again, thank you guys for all your help and guidance. I appreciate it.!!

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