Per Google, that product contains...."

• Active ingredients: rosemary oil, clove oil and peppermint oil
• Inert ingredients: carrageenan, cellulose, citric acid, citrus pulp orange, glycerin, vitamin-c, water and yeast
• Apply early in the morning or late in the afternoon to avoid leaf burn
• I'm sorry for the bullet dots, but after copying the ingredients, this won't let me avoid them. What other products have you been able to find with THOSE active ingredients? Those are oils and the warning to avoid heat and brilliant sun to prevent foliage burn are serious.
• Heirloom's instructing you the plants are "too fragile" for Bayer but sufficiently sturdy for foliage applied oils is laughable. Follow it if you desire, but any other "organic" fungicide containing those primary active ingredients should work the same way.
  
  
  

Thank you for responding. I had questioned the same thing....EXCEPT that the only way Heirloom will guarantee their roses is if you follow their instructions!

Sheila...This is my first purchase from Heirloom, so I do not have the advantage as yourself having experienced their roses. Black Spot is a major problem in my area. Even following a spray program with Bayer, I still cannot escape that dang BS. It drives me crazy. Thank you for the reassurance on Heirloom's roses!

Roseseek is dead on right. Dr. Earth Fungicide is not as safe nor effective to use as the Bayer fungicide is. Oils on rose foliage....not a good idea. They wil! surely be compromised.
Heirloom is up to tricks, to make honoring a guarantee a rare event.

I use the Bayer fungicide on the tiniest of rooted cuttings with only excellent results.

Only never spray Bayer on a dry, dehydrated rose bush, or to be extra safe, when over 80°F.

Heirloom is the nursery I love to hate. Gouging prices, and guarantee restrictions, which restrictions are probably illegal, an anti-trust law violation perhaps, are Heirloom's forte.

I watched the owner butcher a climbing rose on one of his so called, "educational," videos. He reduced it to a mere shell of the original potential it possessed before pruning it. Very heavy handed with the pruners.

Moses

I agree with Sheila, all my own root roses are from Heirloom and I have never lost one. They seem to always do really really well. I do not know what product could help you stay bs free and organic, nothing organic can control blackspot here in the south. I use Bayer and others non organics with good results. I also can’t understand why Heirloom would think non organic antifungals would damage a plant. I hope you find something that works.

Moses...When I spoke to the Customer Service person at Heirloom, I basically told her also my concerns using Dr. Earth. I told her I didn't believe Dr. Earth would cure BS in my area. In the past, I did try going Organic. But, nothing did the job. She was very adamant on using Dr. Earth and not to use the Bayer until the 2nd year. But, now I am shocked to learn that you actually used Bayer on root cuttings with success!!! I am now going to have to rethink things! Thank you for sharing that VERY important detail!

Yes, I always give my roses a good watering the day before I spray and do watch my temperatures. Though, between the quick showers, leaving wet leaves unsprayable plus the summer heat, spraying can be challenging.

I had belonged to the Old Garden Web. There was a member called Veldfire, who lived in Florida with over a 1,000 roses. He once told me that he asked...I cannot remember the name of the Nursery.... a grower in California who raised thousands of roses...how he handled spraying with the hot temps? Veldfire claimed he was told by having the roses well-watered, the grower still sprayed in the higher temps. I have always been reluctant to try it.

Diane...I hear you about the BS and using organics, with the humidity we have. Did you use Bayer on your new own root roses? They said Bayer could be used on the 2nd year...not the first.

When you planted and fertilized in the first year, did you stay away from granular fertilizers? They are very emphatic that if you are potting the bush in a pot, you must NOT use a potting soil with a granular fertilizer. You must not use ANY granular fertilizer during the first year...only bottled fertilizer.

Per their website - "use of potting soil including granular fertilizer or use of any granular, or other fertilizers that are not bottled in a liquid form for the first year. Keeping plants inside the home, improper planting and improper fertilizing will void the warranty."

Rockyrose- I use Bayer in all my roses, including brand new cuttings. I want to clarify that I use the Bayer disease control that is a foliage spray. I do not use any of the Bayer products that are applied to the ground on the first year. I plant them with mixture of miracle grow potting soil/ black cow manure and native soil which should feed them slowly. I do not add any more fertilizer the first year. I know that adding the soil containing fertilizer voids my warranty with Heirloom, but I like how it works and I’ll rather do what works for me than follow whatever ridiculous ideas Heirloom has. I do understand if you are concerned about the return policy then I would follow their advice. I personally rather spray and keep my plant growing with nice foliage than have a naked stick for an entire year. I do spray either very early or very late afternoon in order to avoid high temps. Again I want to reiterate all My heirloom roses have done great and I actually have 4 Kordes arriving this week, which I will keep no spray. In the future you could also try some of the very disease resistant roses so you don’t even have to worry about spraying. If you would like some recommendations I will be happy to share which ones have done well no spray for me.

I would just echo what everyone else has shared. There is no merit to using an organic fungicide the first year and avoiding Bayer disease control until the second year. There is a great chance for leaf burn and a low chance at succeeding at actually controlling disease with the Dr Earth product. There is some merit to avoiding granular fertilizer the first year and so I would follow this recommendation.

Diane...I also only use the Bayer Disease Control 2 as a foliar spray. I add Neptune Harvest and SeaRose by Saltwater Farms to my spray. I also keep a spray bottle of Bayers Insect and Disease Control on hand. Thrips always visit me and this allows me to spot spray if I need to. Isn't it exciting when you know that box from Heirloom is coming? :-)

Dave.. Thanks for chiming in! I have always purchased potted roses from my local nurseries. I have one in particular that sells the most healthiest, beautiful roses. I have never started out with young plants. I don't know why... I guess because I did have a good source and the convenience of usually 2 years growth. (I can be a bit impatient!) :-)) My gut was telling me not to use the Dr. Earth; while the other side of me was telling me.... well Heirloom sells thousands of roses, etc....

The girl from Heirloom was so emphatic about it, as I kept questioning her. She recommended using Alaska Fish Fertilizer.

Alaska Fish Fertilizer is great. Heirloom is right there.

I actually love the hose sprayer because you get to really soak the whole plant, and I wouldn't worry about it having the right ratio, due to the TYPE of nozzle. I have noticed the Miracle Grow sprayers do the uneven distribution, but different system that really does NOT adequately get the stuff up the neck. The Dr. Earth's does not USE a neck, so it mixes and sprays right from the bottle instead-no parts in the way. I vigorously go at it, especially spraying up and down my juniper trees who love it, and really getting those roses well, so that it drenches the canes and crowns. I use it twice a year and everybody loves the wash down!