No idea, but I too would like to know the name of the variety, just to be able to avoid it. I'm not a fan of proliferation. What a shame, too, as otherwise it's handsome.

Looks the same as my new TS from RVRs. I want a name too.

I read that TS has China in it, and for a few years I assumed that all the red I saw in the new leaves was a sign of that. But when I look at pictures of the real thing the foliage is quite different---more typical Gallica and dark green. This year I wondered if the red and the proliferation might be from RRD, but I don't think so now.

I have the Suzy Verrier Gallica book. When I get home I will try to consult it to help us, Belmont.

It reminds me of Pergolese. But I don't understand the gallica/portland confusion around it.

Well, I looked at the Verrier book and agree with Edhelka that mine looks more like Pergolese than TS. I will probably be happy whatever it is.

But the problem is, it isn't available in the US, at least not according to HMF.

Well, Rogue Valley Roses is selling this rose pictured above to Belmont and me. Maybe Pergolese is available that way, Edhelka. It is a roundabout way to get a plant but here we do have mislabeled roses aplenty. The Verrier book did not have a Pergolese photo so I looked on HMF roses for photos. I have every other rose book in the world so I could keep looking, but I'll probably wait until my plant is mature before the study. The Verrier book has wonderful photos but I did not see this rose among them.

I have what were supposed to be the Gallica (from Vintage) and Portland (from Pickering) versions of Pergolese. The Portland turned out to be Rose de Rescht. My Not Tuscany Superb is different from both of those.

It looks like a Bourbon to me. I glanced at the Bourbons Rogue offers and nothing jumps out at me.

Could it be The Bishop?

just what comes to my mind at the mention of proliferation

About 'Pergolese', when I ordered it from Tuincentrum Lottum years ago, what I got was 'Rose de Rescht'; when I ordered it from Petrovic, I got a Gallica, different from the rose in the pictures on this thread....I would have remembered that proliferation. My 'The Bishop'--aka 'Le Rosier Eveque'--has never proliferated that I can recall, though I should perhaps add that it's a starved plant. It's been in the garden for a good while: a decade or so.

Here is my (and Belmont's likely) foliage on the not TS. Sadly, I deleted a full body shot today because it was out of focus.

Please don't laugh at the ugly baby photo from earlier this Spring.

I knew this was not representative. Poor, poor thing.

You know, it does look a bit like Orsola's Pergolese photos on HMF---but not like my own Pergolese photo there. My photo was from Sangerhausen. Orsola's hip and proliferations are different though.

Edhelka, last evening I noticed that my Pergolese (Gallica) does have one proliferation and the new foliage has a reddish tint. I started to think you might be correct. But on closer inspection this morning the prickles and hips on the two are quite different. Prickles larger and fewer on Not TS.

Sheila, by the way, I do agree we have the same thing.

Mad Gallica, I have the Mrs. Keays version of The Bishop and it's not the same. I don't know the other two Bishops that Vintage describes. (I need to get those!)

This is not helpful, but I saw proliferation on Thalie la Gentille at the Roseraie de l'Hay -- but the pics of that rose on Help Me Find don't show proliferation (and even in this example not all blooms were affected).

Georges Vibert does this, but your rose is obviously not stripey! On Help Me Find it lists a mysterious "sport/reversion" that was in the collection at Vintage. There are no pics. Maybe your rose is that?

I put organic fertilizer in the new planting hole of my rose and thought that might have caused the proliferation. I know it will look much different next Spring.

I have Georges Vibert and also had it sport to solid. I don’t think Not TS is the same.

Thalie in the photo you attached looks a bit like it. The reddish foliage in the back especially, but not the foliage in the foreground. It’s not smooth enough. Also, mine has really wide proliferations, though maybe that is variable.

Not TS does not look like a typical Gallica to me.

Below, my Pergolèse is more lilac pink, though darker indoors. It gets a green eye sometimes. Whole bush has a soft appearance.

Some roses never proliferate and some do it a lot, but even roses highly prone to proliferation don't do it all the time. The worst rose in my garden for proliferation is 'Duc de Cambridge', but this year most of its blooms were clean. Go figure.

Here is my not TS full bush. I know the blooms will look better next year. There is no where to go but up.

My TS has only now begun to sucker noticeably. I have had it for at least 15 years.