My Safrano is growing under the high shade of (deciduous) street trees, and is at least 50 years old. It is very leggy and sprawling and the growth pattern is not dense at all. I looked at the pictures of Rubens and Hubner Plot on HMF, and it seems to me that Hubner Plot is much more pink, and much more double. Safrano is semi-double, and although it has traces of pale pink on its buds, that is the last you see of it - the blooms are pale yellow to pale gold, and fade to white. The new growth is very red, as are many of the canes, which makes a nice contrast with the blooms. I love it - here in Northern Calif in zone 9, it starts blooming in January, and keeps it up in light flushes through the end of Nov, and sometimes into Dec. Here are 2 pics, the first one in early Spring, and the second in the summer. The red china is (we think) Cramoisi Superior:

Jackie

We don't grow Safrano, but we DO grow "Hubner Plot", which may (or may not) be 'Rubens'

But I do have photos of Safrano from the same cemetery where we collected "Hubner Plot".

Here's some Safrano

Now, here's Hubner:

Brandon - you're welcome! I am wondering - I assume you are trying to decide between them re planting a new one somewhere? Climate, not just zone, but soil, and humidity, etc., can make such a difference for how roses grow. Where are you gardening, approximately?

Jackie

Jackie, one of them were one of 6 roses I brought with me in my move to St. Louis. It was in the beginning of March and nothing was blooming. Both roses were of the same size, so I was trying to figure out which one it is. I'm pretty sure that it is Safrano judging on pictures.

Thanks! I hope your Safrano survives there - I looked up the climate zone, and it said 6a for St. Louis, while HMF says Safrano (which is an old tea rose) is only hardy to zone 7b. If I were you I would plant it in the most sheltered place on your property (like up against a West facing wall, hopefully out of the wind), where it will definitely get 6+ hours of direct sun. Teas love sun and warmth. Get local advice for what to do to help it survive the winters - I have no advice about that, because our winters are so mild here that it makes the front page of the newspaper if the temp is going to fall to 32F!

Jackie