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New Conifer Landscape Beds?

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

I recently had a new patio with sandstone outcropping retaining walls put in. This has created areas for new landscape beds that I have to complete and plant. I have some flexibility on size as I still have to bring dirt in and shape, but they are approx. 15/16ft deep by 27' long on one side and 24' long on the other side.The pad you see at the end of the patio is going to be an outdoor fireplace soon. If you were standing on the patio looking at it, the bed to the left is the larger of the two and faces the street/entrance. The goal here is a little privacy. The bed to the right faces the incoming winds and beating evening sun. Goal here is shade / wind break.I'm thinking 3 conifers in the long bed and 2-3 in the shorter. Both will have complimentary shrubs/landscaping in front of the conifers .I have been looking for a mixed variety along the lines of Fat Albert Blue Spruce, Baby Blue Spruce, Dense Form Weeping Nootka, possibly Concolor Fir, and something dark.HOWEVER, it has been near impossible to find much if any of these, and the one or two I have found are either tiny or astronomically priced. So, I'm rethinking this as I want and need to get it in. I know an old timer with a very large tree farm that supplies nurseries, but his selection is limited to Colorado Blue Spruce, Norway, and Black Hills Spruce.He'll give me 7-8' for $125-$150.Although they'll eventually get too big in quite a long time (?) I'm considering a mix of Blue & Black Hills, and maybe finding one form of weeper as my focal.Thoughts? Z6 NE Ohio.

Comments (19)

  • 6 years ago




    Left longer side.

  • 6 years ago

    Nothing, eh?

  • 6 years ago

    tall order for us to tackle your entire landscape....that said...

    blue spruce are not such a good choice lately in midwest , because needle cast

    although a plant will last a long time before getting sick


    there should be many , many nurseries within 2 hrs. of you

    and always mail order

    smaller plants will establish more easily , and be cheaper

    many on this forum are collectors , so some might suggest that you could fit like 90 plants there

    ron

    but then there are the sensible ones


  • 6 years ago

    Assuming you paid a pretty penny for all that. I'd recommend doing it right and hiring a landscape designer to help you with your vision.


    Otherwise give us a top view for perspective

  • 6 years ago

    Looks nice. Lots of potential there!

  • 6 years ago

    I'd do one space really well to my satisfaction before moving to the next.
    kinda like how do you eat an elephant.
    Or like mentioned above bring in a pro.

    You rock work and surrounding area is incredibly awesome!
    I see a showstopper in the making!

  • 6 years ago

    Could you show a satellite view?

  • 6 years ago

    now you have to buy a satellite

  • 6 years ago

    Thanks guys! Satellite image below. The red is a VERY generic idea of the new patio/paths/wall area.


    Dirt was brought in on Friday and my dad and I got the beds mostly to shape. I spoke to the contractor and he is allowing me to use his account to purchase at a local tree farm / nursery. Im not able to go check out their abundant selection until Wednesday, but I should have plenty of options.


    I have the same concern about Blue Spruces longevity, but I also love the look/color to play off of. It's weird how you can see some local incredible specimens and then others that are terrible.


    Just trying to find the right mix of conifers regarding hardiness/size/color.



  • 6 years ago

    I‘m confused by that view. I see no reason to put in screening conifers by the house. Dwarf and intermediate make good sense.


    if that is your property I’ve never more recommend working with a designer.


    Don‘t screw this up - many of us would kill for that lot!

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I don't know exactly what you mean or what defines a screening, dwarf, and intermediate. Well, I guess I kinda do.. I'm definitely not trying to create a wall of Norway Spruces, but just by using conifers in the beds it is going to provide some privacy from the street views, and also shade from the setting sun on the other side, which is the goal. The #1 goal is looks and visual appeal, so please don't get me wrong that we are just going to plant a line of trees, lol.

    By throwing out the mention of the Blue and Black Hills, I guess we started to consider them if they would be within size requirements for the next 20+ years before being an issue, and thought they could be considered for the lack of availability of others and their value. Now that I have the landscapers account to use at this new (to me) tree farm / nursery, that should no longer be an issue. I'm liking a few that I have seen in their online catalog such as Hoopsii BS, Horstmann's Silberlocke, etc. But definitely looking for recommendations on others, good pairings visually and stuff that is hardy with the least amount of issues.

    My dad was a landscape foreman for 20+ years way back, and we are both OCD perfectionist so we are pretty good at design and making things look right. This whole patio/wall project was my design that I had contractors bid on to obtain my vision. I was out there everyday micromanaging and probably annoying the s*** out of them.. they were great and accepting though!

    Again, always great to hear different opinions and ideas that we may not be thinking of, so totally open to suggestions and recommendations! You are all spot on that we have to get this right, and I'm running out of time (not to mention the mud pit and having a large dog).

  • 6 years ago

    For time , I personally would look at this as a 3 year project

    ron

  • 6 years ago

    Ron - This year's goal is to just get the trees in and mulch the beds. I'll worry about filling out and completing the rest of the landscape next season.

  • 6 years ago

    So where is the road you want to screen? I’m not seeing it or I’m missing something.

    tj

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I probably should have included them in the satellite view..



  • 6 years ago

    You have enough room for the trees to be a bit further from the house. I think they would still function as a windbreak. Considering their mature width I wouldn't plant them in the rock surrounded beds.

  • 6 years ago

    I would add some hardwoods along the road to create more of a natural woods there, less of a line of trees. Even tree trunks can provide a visual screen in winter.

    Large growing conifers should be well away from your patio. It will be very claustrophobic if multiples are planted in your new beds.

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Having here the same problem I always have. It's disorienting to have all manner of disjointed views from different camera angles. It would be so much more helpful to see it all in one view as if we were standing there. Usually, with a back yard foundation landscape (which I would mainly call this even though part of it extend outward a bit) it is important to see an outward, and an inward bound view. We're seeing parts of these and having a very hard time of reconciling exactly how they all fit together. The satellite view helps with the overall layout, but not much with views beyond.

    OP, I suggest standing with your back to the center post under the deck. Take a series of slightly overlapping pictures that pan from far left to far right ... so far that some of the house shows in the first and last photographs. This way, we can see the whole broad view including the background and how things relate to one another.

    I would not bother yet with the inbound view (where one stands away from the house and captures a panorama looking toward the house), as we see some of it already and it may be enough.