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Lessons learned - Buying appliances on Ebay

5 years ago

I just learned a very expensive lesson buying an appliance on Ebay and dealing with the manufacturer for warranty. I purchased a bosch B36CL80ENS refrigerator from Ebay which claimed that it had a full manufacturer's warranty. Before I purchased, I asked the seller for the SN and then called Bosch to confirm the warranty. Bosch confirmed the unit was under warranty, so I purchased the refrigerator. I checked online reviews and I've never seen any appliance have such rave reviews so i figured I was safe. Plus, I've never ever had an appliance go bad on me.


Several months ago the unit started beeping an hour or two after the last time we opened the freezer and accidentally left it slightly open. The alarm did not go off immediately, but hours later. As time progressed, the alarm would go off for no reason. It was always the freezer alarm. Then it started going off every 3-4 hours, yes even at 3am EVERY morning. That is when we noticed that the freezer was actually not cooling. We called Bosch for warranty repair, the unit was still under warranty. But just barely, they used the manufacturer date and not the date I bought the unit and installed it as the start of the warranty period.


Anyway, to make a long story long, the Bosch repair person came out, diagnosed the issue to be a problem in the freezer's compressor. He said the lines were way too small and can easily pinch down so the refrigerant couldn't get through. He said he would order parts and come back to fix it. This is the Bosch Authorized Service person. 2.5 wks later, he came back. After about 30 mins we could here him pick up the phoen and say, "I can't fix this." After he got off the phone he said to us "Well, I have good news and bad news." The bad news is that this model refrigerator uses a new butane system that is under extreme pressure and requires a $3000 tool to handle the capture of the pressurized butane and that no one has that tool right now. But the good news is that Bosch will replace the unit under warranty. However, I need to provide the original sales receipt, which I did.


1 week later we have not heard back from Bosch so we called them. Apparently, even though I called and verified that the serial number was good with Bosch directly, because I did not buy directly from an authorized dealer, they will not replace the unit. My husband, who has the most incredible people skills on the planet, could not convince the manager at Bosch that their policy was completely not consumer friendly. The unit was purchased from an authorized dealer at some point, why does it matter if I'm not the first purchaser if it's never been registered with them?


So now we have a $3000 paper weight. Who in the hell manufactures a product that can't be fixed in the field? What is going to happen to those that purchased this unit when their warranty is up? The repair man said that this unit is destined to fail because the lines on this compressor are too small to handle the pressurized butane. My husband, who is knowledgeable in this stuff, said that if the compressor blows with this pressurized butane it will take out the side of the house and probably kill someone.


The sad thing is out of all the counter depth refrigerators in the price range, this is the ONLY one that I liked the configuration of in a price point I could afford. However, I will NEVER buy a Bosch again. Also, I will never buy a large appliance off Ebay again... And since I bought just about every appliance in the kitchen off ebay, I have to pray no other appliances go bad.


Take this for what it is worth.


Comments (16)

  • 5 years ago

    Hate to tell you, but buying from an authorized dealer for warranty service is Consumer 101. If you bought used, don't assume all warranties are transferrable.

  • 5 years ago

    @mishmosh That is I why I called Bosch to ask if this particular unit by providing the serial number was covered... and they said yes. Am I supposed to not believe the manufacturer?

  • 5 years ago

    The issue that kills me is that most of these Ebay sellers say that the item comes with a full manufacturer's warranty so people rely on that. It's not until months later, and well past the time for feedback on ebay, that people find out otherwise.

  • 5 years ago

    Did you tell Bosch at the time that you were considering purchasing a used or gray market appliance and did not currently own said appliance? If you just called and said is this serial number under warranty, I think they would assume that you are the original purchaser calling.


    I do agree with you about Ebay sellers. It's shady at the very least. At least with appliances, I would recommend anyone get these locally if at all possible. There is just too much that. can go wrong and the money you think you save, often ends up being money lost and a huge headache.

  • 5 years ago

    Here is a link to the warranty: https://images.homedepot-static.com/catalog/pdfImages/74/74f128dc-738b-4501-adb2-40ed3dcc202b.pdf

    • There is no requirement that the refrigerator be purchased from an "authorized dealer", only that you be the "first purchaser".
    • If the refrigerator was represented as being under warranty on the ebay web page for the product and that information is false, you should follow up with the seller or contact ebay for help.
    • I'd suggest you get BSH's warranty rejection in writing. If all else fails, take BSH to small-claims court.


    @Dorys Prentice "The issue that kills me is that most of these Ebay sellers say that the item comes with a full manufacturer's warranty..."

    ebay sellers are not intentionally misleading buyers. The seller most certainly didn't know that there would be a problem with BSH's interpretation of the warranty.

    @mishmosh "I do agree with you about Ebay sellers. It's shady at the very least"

    Don't paint ebay sellers with a broad brush like that. I have sold and bought items on ebay and every sale has been above board.

  • 5 years ago

    @wdccruise . It clearly says in the warranty


    New at retail (not a display, "as is", or previously returned model), and not for resale, or commercial use.


    Anything coming from Ebay is not new at retail. According to this statement , even a store display model at a full retail shop is not warranted by Bosch.


    I also don't believe all Ebay sellers are shady. I've been buying from Ebay for 20 yrs. I don't blame the seller. I'm sure he truly believes the product had a full mfr's warranty because he bought a display model from the retail shop.

  • 5 years ago

    No one is saying all Ebay sellers are shady. But Ive seen plenty of listings over the years that claim to have a warranty when they actually don't or are not the mfg warranty or the seller is offering their own warranty but with a bunch of strings attached. That's shady. I've been buying and selling on eBay for over 20 years.

  • 5 years ago

    There are storefront businesses who sell legitimate new-in-box products on eBay as an additional "retail" presence.

    That being said, appliance serial numbers may be recorded and tracked by the manufacturer from the factory warehouse through shipping to the retailer. They're also coded for the manufacturing date (usually year & month or year & week). The Bosch phone rep probably answered Dorys Prentice's question on point of the unit's manufacturing date being valid for warranty coverage. Further checking may have occurred upon request for warranty service and apparently the seller is not an authorized Bosch dealer, even if the item was a legitimate new-in-box product.

  • 5 years ago

    "New at retail (not a display, "as is", or previously returned model), and not for resale, or commercial use.

    "Anything coming from Ebay is not new at retail."

    You don't know that. There are plenty of sellers on ebay that are traditional retailers and, unless you've already inquired, you don't know how the seller obtained the refrigerator. Regardless, you should follow up with the seller if he claimed the refrigerator was under warranty if that wasn't true. Writing on Houzz won't accomplish anything.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    The problem is the lack of the high pressure butane recovery tool. Find the manufacturer of the tool. Ask who has one in your area. Have them repair the system. Should be just replacing a line after removing the butane and then pressurizing the system again. You may not need that specific tool if the system has leaked all the butane. That frig has two compressors. So the refrigerator compressor section is likely unaffected.

  • 5 years ago

    @wdccruise I'm not trying to accomplish anything other than giving others a heads up to be careful to double and triple check everything before buying an expensive appliance through Ebay.


    @dan1888 That is a great idea and thank you for the suggestion.

  • 5 years ago

    You could contact the repair guy and ask to buy the tubes he was putting in. This could start a conversation.

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    5 years ago

    @Dorys Prentice Thank you for demonstrating the risk of some online sourcing.


    I'm finding all sorts of crazy stuff, with clients sourcing fixtures from multiple online stores, many of which have little to fall back on once you send money. New brands seem to get created overnight with little history or factory support, all using photos and prices to capture sales.


    Use at your own risk. Know your sell and/or who is handing the $$.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Something similar hapoeved to me with a GE appliance and i called theccorporate office and got better resultsi.

  • 4 months ago

    I just had the problem when trying to register a food processor bought new on ebay. The manufacturer told me I could not register the item because I did not purchase it through an authorized dealer. The buyer should beware of both the seller and the manufacturer who will not stand behind their product it really is a matter of price fixing on the manufacturers part and Consumer Affairs needs to investigate this practice if a manufacturer makes a product and it is not stolen, then they should cover the warranty. my only advice might be to register the item as being a gift to you and you have no idea what they paid or where they bought it. I am tired of getting taken advantage of by big corporations who have no accountability to government oversight. ebay should also put disclaimers on their site for reseller warnings that the products they sell may not have a manufacturer's warranty