@User yes I saw the 30" today...I can't get over how ugly it is....I know people LOVE them...but I simply do not :) I do however want one that is excellent quality AND meets my asthetic demands. :)

I would do nothing Kitchen Aid, sorry. Ge Cafe would be better.

Personally, I'd want a Monogram 36 inch dual fuel. Fabulous "machine".

There are some good reviews on-line and some not-so-good reviews.

https://www.kitchenaid.com/major-appliances/ranges/freestanding-ranges/p.kitchenaid-30-smart-commercial-style-gas-range-with-4-burners.kfgc500jss.html?

I wouldn't call the Bluestar ugly, but it does have a commercial look to it. The KA is a cleaned up version of the BS. You can customize the look of the BS with colors but that will affect the price

The Italian units seem to be somewhat of a "looks, not cooks" proposition

@delray33483 yes very commercial indeed..I was actually disappointed that I had such a strong aversion to it..LOL. Any thoughts on a Bosch professional range? I do like the looks of the pro style ranges compared to the Ge Cafe line for example. Would you not suggest the KA? the bad reviews seem specific to the app that you can use..Which we wouldn't be using.

@User yes we do actually cook. The BS is out of our price range here in Canada..it was like $4800 and I'm not even sure if that was the open or sealed burner. Do you have any thoughts on the Bosch? or other lines slightly higher than the GE Cafe line? Which I would just be doing stainless steel btw. Or Zline? F&P?

@JANMOYER What mid-level brands do your clients tend to love? the GE Monogram is a beauty..not sure if that stays in our price point or not. Oooh..also thoughts on ordering MONTHS ahead of when we actually need the appliances due to Covid? This store will store them for us, which is ideal but we won't need them until Spring 2021.

No real thoughts on the KA good or bad. I don't think that you would be disappointed wit the Bosch - they make upper middle appliances and seem to be uniformly good.

Look for Zline reviews on the site - they are getting beat to death. Stay away

I looked on the Bosch website and they just came out with a new Industrial style range. Since it is new, it will probably be awhile before the reviews start coming in. It looks really nice though.

https://www.bosch-home.com/us/products/cooking-baking/ranges

@delray33483 thank you for your thoughts! The salesman turned me upside down, because I have spent so long researching the Ge Cafe line and people LOVE it...and then I saw the KA and I fell head over heals in love with it. I'll have to take another stroll though and check out the lower end pro series..like bosch, thermadore, and take another look the the blue star...so many choices and we are ones for longevity. This is our forever house as far as we know (and yet I still can't talk him into a 36" range :( )

I have to say that my Italian range is absolutely fantastic, functionally! I don't know why the statement that it's not for people who cook, have you used an Ilve/Hallman?

@lucky998877 I'm not sure what posters mean by Italian...is the Kitchen Aide made in Italy? I have only ever cooked on electric...except for my Samsung in our last home which was gas and it was fine. So definitely looking to upgrade. The Ilve and Hallman are definitely out of price range. Do you have the Kitchen Aide?

Amanda, they are slamming the Italian ranges...Ilve/Hallman etc...no, KA is not Italian. I have a Hallman, I just don't get why this forum is always so black and white. BS and GE are great, everything else sucks? I don't get it...anyways, just wanted to mention that the Italian ranges IMO are for people who cook, all the time, every single day.

Good luck with your search. Go for a dual fuel range, no matter what brand, if you can. I'm on my 2nd one.

GE Profile PGS930YPFS 30 in. 5.6 cu. ft. Slide-In Gas Range. Best Buy.

low sales volume anything (in this case Italian ranges) have difficulty getting service. There generally is no local service and everything breaks along the way. Service and parts are expensive for mfgs to maintain. They try to have just enough service in major areas to keep most people happy. If they use local service people then those local guys aren't really that good since they don't see the unit that often

buy something mainstream - there are plenty to choose from

Actually, our range was not installed by anyone affiliated with the brand. I found the installation company that works with a local high end appliance store. The guy I mentioned to me that these Italian ranges are quite basic, they are very easy to care for. He said that he works on these type of ranges all the time. Again, this was not an installer that I found through the manufacturer. Anywho, sorry to bring this up and go off the question the OP had...just hate to see this bashing.

finding a good tech that can work on most one off units is a god send, but a long shot. Most just are basic techs who really can't read scematics I would hate to base a $5k purchase on that

I think I might be talking myself into a Bluestar..it is an open burner RCS...Since this is our forever home, I don't want to regret our purchase. And we have a budding chef in the home.

Does anyone have info on ordering now for Spring install during Covid? It seems weird to me to place an order so far in advance.

@lucky998877 I went back today to check out the bluestar and the salesman also showed me the Fulgar Milano...Be still my heart. It's beautiful and they service them if there is an issue.

Can you tell me about the double stacked sealed burner in an Italian range? It's my understanding that most European brands are sealed..but people here talk all day long about open burners being the best?

Go BlueStar. You can DIY everything on it if you have to. FM has way too many issues.

@User what makes you say that? I have read many many user reviews and they seem to be doing very well. ...every brand has some bad reviews. The FM felt superiour to the BlueStar in so many ways. It was also prettier. From a service perspective, the store we would be purchasing it from also does the service of each of the brands they sell.

Amanda, my double sealed burner boils water fast. I also love the fact that I can turn off the powerful outer ring and leave rice on the tiny burner only. I have 2 of these type of burners, other one cannot be turned down/divided, it's all power all the time... I have 7 burners so a lot to choose from. I had the 36" RCS on my list for a long time, and a speed oven also...then I came across the 48" Hallman and it made more sense for how I use the range. And yes, I can stir fry beautifully with that double ring burner and my carbon steel wok. I'm not comparing the burner to a BS burner, just saying that it's awesome. Good luck!

@lucky998877 thank you so much. I think that is where I am stuck...The difference between purchasing an open burner from BlueStar or a sealed one from Fulgor Milano. We stir fry a lot as well. We won't be purchasing a new range hopefully for a decade or more so I don't want to make the wrong choice.

I'm not worried about the cleaning of the two burners, rather which one will honestly do a better cook.??? And I LOVE that you get to have a 48"..that's amazing!

Having that double ring burner acts more like an open burner, the flames are not coming up from the sides only. The smaller inner burner is directly under what ever pan you are using...that is why it boils water much quicker than the regular sealed burners.

As to the Bosch commercial range. I've been looking at one as well. Speaking to the Italian range part of this thread, the sales person said he thought the Bosch commercial was made in Italy by Bert. Looking not the inside of the range, and the way the racks are installed (the bosch racks and the Bert racks) slide into other wide gauge wire racks on the sides of the oven, not into channels created by the metal of the oven walls. The only two ranges I've seen with this. Maybe the kid, uh-- I mean salesman, was on to something.

Thank you everyone for your input. after wayyyy too much obsessing and research and talking with people in the industry we pulled the trigger on the BlueStar RCS 30" open burner. We are thrilled and cannot wait to cook on it!