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Kitchen Design/Layout Review Please

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

Hi everyone,

Long time reader and lurker, first time poster. I’m deep into research mode for remodeling my kitchen and would love your thoughts on my design and layout thusfar. Thank you for taking the time to help!

A 2D drawing of the remodel is attached. I’m working on getting a drawing of the larger room for additional context.

- My goal is for this kitchen to be more open and flow into the combined living/dining area. I live alone in a condo and cook a lot, and had friends and family over all the time, pre-pandemic. Mostly I want the kitchen to serve as a functional cooking/cleaning/storage space.

- I’m aiming for a contemporary design with clean lines and a warm look. I want a balance of counterspace and storage; I love things tucked away and not left on the countertop.

- I currently have a galley kitchen from the 1970s. I plan to demo the non-load-bearing wall and move the sink and dishwasher underneath the window, creating an L-shaped design to open up the space.

- Ceilings are 8 ft.

- There is no basement or crawl space, but there is attic access.

- I have an HOA that is very strict with exterior modifications, so I do not want to change the window. I would like the sink centered under the window as it looks visually balanced to me. Open to other options though as I’m aware that’s a pretty dated trend.

- Looking at the drawing, the entryway door is about a foot before the long end of the L. The kitchen starts there with a pantry cabinet, followed by MW/oven/cabinet combo. Then it opens up with upper cabinets and counterspace, followed by an electric 30” cooktop (no gas hookup available), followed by the corner counterspace (I’m told it’s too small for a lazy susan, and would like some creative solutions here), the sink under the window, dishwasher and fridge.

- I’m very likely downgrading the 37” width fridge in the drawing to a 30” (counterdepth as well) so that I have more breathing room between the end of the kitchen and the sliding balcony doors shortly after.

- Cabinets: I like contemporary, euro style, wood, slab door type of kitchen cabinets. Still researching if I want frameless or framed cabinets. So far, HD Thomasville is the lower end of that (no frameless option), and Omega Dynasty is the higher end (on my budget). I'd like darker lower cabinets with white, or light colored upper cabinets. I got a lot of research left to do here.

- Countertops: White, slightly marbeled quartz, with the same for backsplash, unless I find a tile I love (hasn’t happened thus far, I really don’t like the tile backsplash look).

- Floor: Cream or gray tile for the kitchen, against dark hardwood in the rest of my place.

- I may consider adding an island in the future, which would make for a dining space/hang out area. But at the moment, I'm more focused on the open concept flow of things.

I think that covers the basics. If you've read this far, thank you! Looking forward to your comments.


Comments (13)

  • 5 years ago

    Your photo loads very tiny, so it's hard for me to see. I think you're at a good starting point. If you are used to having a full depth 36 inch refridgerateor, you will lose a lot of space going to a counter depth 30 inch model, so be prepared for that. For the corner, it looks like you either need to blind it or put in a cabinet with a complex pull out mechanism by revashelf or hafele. I think I would prefer to move your range a bit toward your pantry, probably just 6 inches, to give yourself a better stretch of uninterrupted countertop between your sink and cooktop where you can prep. Good luck!


    Thomasville does have a frameless line called Nouveau you could look at. MasterBrands also has a less expensive frameless line, Kitchen Craft. Shiloh gets a lot of good reviews here and has a frameless line as well that I think would fall between Thomasville and Omega. I recently got quotes on both Nouveau ($13K) and Omega ($18K), so the Omega quote was not nearly as high as I was expecting to see. (I have a mid-sized kitchen and anticipate about 20 cabinets.)

    burnam_f thanked Muriel Thompson
  • 5 years ago

    I hadn't come across Shiloh or MasterBrands yet, so thank you.

  • 5 years ago

    Omega is a MasterBrands line--but it's not their only frameless offering. I understand that Kitchen Craft is made in Canada, and a cabinet seller I spoke with about it had some reservations that they will continue to run on time due to covid, but it seemed to me that was more speculation than anything. (Or maybe she just wants to sell me some Omega, who knows).

  • 5 years ago

    A counter depth fridge will probably work fine for you if you are single and aren't constantly feeding a big family. If storage is a priority and access is a concern, focus on drawers and pullouts, rather than shelves. You don't indicate your age, but if you're facing or in retirement, uppers are just not a smart way to go. Even if you have items you use once a year that could go in the top of them, you don't want to get on a step stool or ladder to access things, especially when living alone. Are you moving any plumbing? If so, consider the sink, dishwasher, trash, and dish and silver drawers in a longer island so you don't have your back turned to guests when you're at the sink.



  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Thanks Decoenthusiaste. Definitely would love to do drawers AND pullouts. It's such a drag to get my step stool out!

  • 5 years ago
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    I would void the corner and put in a wider drawer base b/w the range and corner. Blind corner cabinets, even with the swingouts, aren't very efficient storage. Be aware that with swingouts, if something falls off, you will not be able to close the swingout until you retrieve the fallen item. My KD told us, "you'll need to send in a small child to retrieve anything that falls off in the back." She was only partly kidding, but she made her point. In apartments I had blind corner cabs (upper & lower), and I tried very hard not to let anything get into the blind area so, in effect, I was "voiding" the corner without the added benefit of a wider "regular" cabinet or drawer base.

    I'm guessing you do not have a pantry elsewhere; I really don't like those deep & wide pantry cabinets as things can easily get lost in them, especially the shelves above about waist to shoulder height. (You can put in drawers below that so you can see more.)

  • 5 years ago
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    If you have the space, I would go with two 18"W tall pantry pullouts instead of the single 24" wide one. Or, a couple of 15"W ones -- whatever you can fit in that space...you mentioned there was another foot or so of room b/w the pantry cabinet and door.

    Have you considered a range instead of a cooktop? You would have more counterspace available and might better fit a couple of the 18"W tall pantry pullouts I mentioned above.

    Where do you plan to store your dishes? I would consider putting in a drawer base in the island that faces the sink & DW for dish storage to keep the dishes out of the other work zones. I realize you live alone, but if you entertain a lot, it would help keep the Kitchen functional with several people around.

    burnam_f thanked Buehl
  • 5 years ago

    Buel you make some excellent points. A couple questions:


    1. By voiding the corner, do you mean just lose the space? I get your point about the swing out, I hadn't thought of that. But I'm ok with leaving it a blind corner and storing my very few rarely used large items there.


    2. I think I can fit two 15" pantry cabinets there, that's a good idea. The 18" cabinets would be a little snug, if not coming up right next to the door. Why do you recommend that over the larger pantry cabinet? Is it because things can get easily lost in the bigger cabinet?


    3. I had chosen a cooktop because I liked the look of it better - but I had not thought about the counterspace I would save in going with a range. Thank you!


    4. I plan to store dishes next to the range/cooktop. It's what I do currently and works great when I am making something to eat. I have my "entertaining" party items stored in a closet elsewhere that would easily fit in the pantry cabinet, there's not much. If I can get away with it, I'd like to skip the island for now, and revisit that in 5-10years.

  • 5 years ago
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    Also, if you go with a range, consider a MW drawer mounted under the counter so you don't lose counterspace...assuming you have enough storage that you can afford to lose about 2/3 of a base cabinet to a MW drawers. (Put a drawer beneath it.)

    Or, hang it from an upper cabinet outside the Prep Zone. Don't put it over the range as OTR MWs are, at best, mediocre MWs and, usually, pretty awful hoods.

  • 5 years ago

    Personal opinions, so feel free to ignore. I think you can make your island bigger. I’d go for as big as you can while still leaving 36” clearance around it. I believe that you’ve seriously overloaded the window wall. I’d want more prep, clean up and dish storage near the sink and dishwasher. Is there an option to move the refrigerator to the opposite end, left of the stove?

  • 5 years ago

    Minimum recommended aisle widths:

    • 42" for a one-person and always a one-person work aisle
    • 48" for more than one person
    • Aisles are measured to/from the items that stick out into them the farthest -- counter overhangs, appliance handles, etc. They are not measured cabinet-to-cabinet as cabinet measurements only include the cabinet box, not the doors/drawer fronts or counter overhangs (1.5").
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Voiding...Yes, I mean eliminating the corner for storage and have wider cabinets on each side. You will need 3" of filler b/w the corner and the first cabinet on each side so the cabinets on each side of the corner clear each other's doors/drawer fronts and knobs/pulls.