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Design / Build Contractor Dispute

5 years ago

I need help. Hired a Design / Build firm to remodel our master bath and closet. The total cost is $70,000. I've already paid $66,000 by credit card (for rewards points, already paid Chase by check.)

The firm sent me computer generated designs. Then I met the interior designer at a store, she had everything pre-selected and laid out. I went with her choices.


We had MANY problems. For the most part, they have been fixed:


1) The initial floor installation was bad. No ends met, the whole floor was peaks and valleys. They eventually told me they shouldn't have laid long rectangular tiles with a 50% offset, and they demoed and redid the floors with a 30% offset. This was after they installed all of the custom closet cabinetry and vanity.

2) Somehow the bathroom flooded and ruined the ceiling in the room underneath the bathroom. They fixed and painted it.

3) They left adhesive-backed carpet protector on our rugs for 2 months, and when they removed it, sticky residue remained. They professionally cleaned them, it didn't work. They're now replacing the carpets.

4) They installed closet cabinetry and crown molding over our ceiling attic access. They had to remove the cabinetry, relocate the access, and replace the cabinetry.


The main problem, now:


Our shower tile was installed with chips and shredded edges. Every single cut looks like the pictures attached. Instead of pointing the problem out, they installed it and grouted before we saw it. When we raised concerns, they told us that we picked such a cheap tile that it couldn’t be cut well. The owner said he used all of his saws and he is a good tile cutter but the tile was just too cheap. That was news to us! We just agreed with their recommendations, we didn't choose the materials! I feel like I got ripped off, how can you charge me $70,000 for a bathroom and sell me tiles so cheap that they cannot be cut? I don't have any info - the name of the tiles, or the price. Our contract has vague info and nothing is identifiable.


They have no plan to fix it, they refuse to redo the shower in a different tile and say that I have to make a "material concession." I wish they had gone back to the store or manufacturer when they realized they couldn't cut the tile and tried to return or exchange it. Why would they install tile in this condition? And look at the bottom corners of the shower, should they look like that?


I don't know what to do next. Does anyone have any advice? I have paid them almost all of the cost because the project was initially supposed to last 4 weeks and I stupidly paid them according to schedule, though we are now in the 9th week and not done. Should I try to dispute this with my credit card?







Comments (19)

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Don't even know what we are looking at from the pictures. Please step back and take photos with description of area. Is that last pic the shower floor transition to wall? Clearly you did not hire professionals. What was the scope of work for 70k? Anything in writing at all?


  • 5 years ago

    Not a professional, but I've done several bathroom remodels DIY including tile showers and tile floors. Those cuts look pretty ragged to me and I would be really upset as well. It would have been better for the contractor to cut a few tiles and tell you there was a problem with the tile (if there was) so you could buy new tile vs buying new tile and a new install. I'm sorry I don't have any specific advice. But I am sorry you're going through this and I don't think you're being unreasonable for frustration over the workmanship.

  • 5 years ago

    Two more pictures, I backed up a bit. It’s the cuts around the niche and along the door frames that are the worst. All at eye level. They seemed to be professionals, they have five star reviews on houzz and friends have used them as well with good results. It’s like this job was abnormally awful for them and they won’t fix it. We do have a contract, I should look to see what it says about disputes.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    By all means dispute the credit card charges. The bank stacks the deck in consumers' favor. I just had Chase give a customer a free sink.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    I have been through a very similar experience! You aren't crazy, that work is unacceptable! (At least you haven't paid them ALL your money.) When this happened to me, the only resolution I was able to achieve was not paying for their work. I still had to pay another contractor to rip it out and redo it and I had to pay for new tile. It wasn't at all fair to me but a lawyer pointed out that I would spend more in legal fees if I sued them so it is the choice I made. Good luck.


    Oh, and the next REAL tile guy worked with the exact same tile with NO chipping!

  • 5 years ago

    Unacceptable.

  • 5 years ago

    If this is what they did with the areas you can see, what waterproofing did they do? I hope you took pictures of their waterproofing too.

  • 5 years ago

    The tile cutting is unacceptable. The crooked seams are unacceptable. These guys have had issues with surfaces and tiles (remember the WRONG 50:50 offset....that was the red flag). They do NOT employ a tile setter. They use 'guys' who swing hammers.


    Did they use caulking at the 'change of plain'? Did they grout the bathroom floor/wall connection? Why is the caulking already having issues in the corner??


    Go ahead and look at your contract. If you need to you can have the work inspected by a Certified Tiling Expert.


    Contact the Credit card company and tell them the issue. See if you can put a hold on the latest payment.


    And yes, do you have photos of the 'in progress' water proofing? If they cheaped out on a tile setter, they will most likely have cheaped out on the water proofing.

  • 5 years ago

    This was the shower as they began tiling. Does it look ok? Ugh. I hope it looks right, I don’t want to have to worry about water later on.

  • 5 years ago

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    I have no idea why you paid for more than 1/2 of the job to start with. Where is the designer in this mess Dispute the credit card payment hopefully good luck there . Honestly I have done 100s of bathrooms renos for less that 70K and a lot nicer work done too. I guess you can only hope the waterproofing is done right. I have used cheap HD tile and not had an issue with cutting so that is BS.

  • 5 years ago

    It does look like they used proper waterproofing.

    But there is no excuse for the tile cutting job they did. Nor the other mistakes and if they have to do the tiling over, it means rewaterproofing the shower because you can't remove tile without compromising the waterproofing.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Sadly reviews don't hold much truth. Bad reviews are often hidden or removed and good reviews are paid for. Some contracts today include a non-disparagement clauses that say you cannot post a negative review. (Courts have generally ruled the clause unenforceable, but it still stops people from writing bad reviews).

    I would check with an attorney to find out what actions are appropriate. You can probably have some of the charges on your credit card reversed, but the build/design firm may place a lien on your home and you will still end up paying or disputing the charges in court. Sometimes the legal fees can be greater than the original charges. Again, your contract should spell out what steps can be taken to resolve disputes. The contract is most likely going to favor the build/design firm as it was written for them to protect them.


    I have had better luck asking for cooperation to make things right and if/when that fails, becoming a royal pita, vowing to spend every waking moment ruining their reputation via the internet, social networking, public meetings, through my church, through every supplier and distributor that does business with them. Good business owners know the power of a single bad review and don't want to battle a tirade.

  • 5 years ago

    Those are big tiles in the shower, are they 24x48 ... I would bet they didn't have the right equipment to support that size and make clean cuts.

  • 5 years ago

    Oh, next time don't hire a design build firm. I bought my own tiles and fixtures and hired a well recommended contractor to execute the project. I like to separate materials from labor. I did use a designer to draw out my ideas with scale/detailed plans and drawings that were used for biding the job.

  • 5 years ago

    I can’t thank you all enough for your responses. The owner talked to my husband yesterday and said that he will fix the bad tile cuts around the niche by cutting out the current tiles in the inside niche border and framing it with quartz instead that will wrap around the front and hide the bad cuts. I don’t love the idea but he refuses to retile the shower, and I see no recourse or leverage for us.
    I’m wondering, if he cuts tile out of the niche, will the shower still be waterproof? Can he just cut some shower tiles out and replace them instead of gutting the whole shower? Thanks again.

  • 5 years ago

    Tile remove may compromise the waterproofing and possibly it will not. Properly installed tile quite possibly, hackery with the improper amount of mud stand a better chance.

  • 5 years ago

    #1 70K for a bath/closet is INSANE.

    #2 Were your workers bonded/insured/licensed?


  • 5 years ago

    Arcy_GW you can not possibly comment on the budget being insane when you don’t know the scope and size and amount of custom work.

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