Doesn't Marlorena grow this one? Maybe she will stop by and comment.

Attract her attention.... @Marlorena Hopefully that works!

..thanks for the tag !..

.....not the easiest rose I've ever grown bart... and I have to remove unproductive canes to induce basal growth after the first flush... I don't find it especially vigorous either, and I suspect it needs plentiful manuring which I've never enough of... it also gets its share of blackspot and mildew come August...

..but the blooms are large, old rose scented, not strong for me, and luscious purple changing to cherry red and deep pink in hot weather, such as we have... from mid May to mid June it really stands out.. but I cannot comment on heat resistance as such.. I would be surprised if it thrives in drought stricken gardens without considerable attention...

@User I'm glad it worked! Kim

I had it. I think it's one that bit the dust after a year of struggling. I meant to dig it up, and put in a pot, where I think it's better suited. In a large pot. Marlorena has said it all correctly. It needs cuddling in the ground. It may get better after coddling in the ground, but I can't guarantee that.

Gloire de Ducher definitely sounds like one which NEEDS budding.

Bart is in Italy though. Her climate is different than any of the other posters. I wish she could give the plant a chance in the ground.

Thank you all so much. Sheila, this was in the ground,but was doing badly; I had not planted it correctly. There is an area of my garden that has only morning sun,which would be perfect for roses, but there is almost no soil there at all; my terrain is very, very steep. So I am trying to fill it in,but it wasn't ready for a rose yet, apparently.

I think one has to take some of the statements on HMF with a grain of salt; from reading all of the above comments, I gather than GdD is NOT particularly "vigorous". So I'm going to grow it on in it's pot this summer, and give it liquid fert., and then try it out in the garden again,in a better spot.

Hmm...considering all these comments has got me thinking that perhaps GdD would be best off in the original spot in which I had it planted,but with a LOT more soil improvement. Marlorena's comment about it perhaps not thriving in a drought-stricken garden makes me think that the fact that that particular spot gets morning sun but shade in the afternoon might do a lot to counter-balance my climate/drought issues. This spot is also right on the entrance path , so it would be easier to give a plant in that spot extra water.

I have begun dumping soil in this spot, to create a garden bed. It's an enormous amount of work, and very boring to do. Along the sides of the road that I drive along in order to get to my land there are certain areas where the wild pigs root around,leaving clumps of soil and up-rooted grass in their wake, so I stop and bag that up. Then, another way to get soil is to look for areas where the huge trucks that transport the logs of cut trees have passed over the muddy soil on the sides of the road; these break up the soil surface so I can gather up the clumps . It's amazing, however, to realize that in these woods the actual soil is so rocky; you can't really dig down very deep at all.

This is all quite exhausting and time-consuming, but this area of my garden is right near the entrance gate, very prominent ,so it would be really nice to have something other than weeds there.

Hello Bart....I've been growing Gloire de Ducher for three years. I got it as a band from RVR. It has not been vigorous for me at all! After three years, it has one cane that is barely 6 feet tall and one other spindly cane. It seems to bloom in the early summer, then spend the rest of the season attempting to bloom while fighting epic blackspot. All of this in spite of twice yearly horse manuring, three times a year of rosetone, and copious irrigation. I am hoping for better things as time goes on....it really is a unique and beautifully colored rose.

Speaking of it's colour...this, too, confuses me. Is it more like that of Marlorena's photos on HMF https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.283099 ,or closer to that of Sheila's photos? In Marlorena's I'm seeing a definite deep violet- burgundy /garnet red colour; in Sheila's I see a lighter, more carmine tone. Now, I realize that colour varies according to weather,light, season, etc. However I am planning where to put mine next fall: I plan to place it next to Eyes for You https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.57984.1&tab=36,which will be a sharp contrast. But on the other side? Could I try something like Ebb Tide or Twilight Zone? Or would they be too similar?

Mine is a different Hybrid Perpetual, Bart, that behaved remarkably better in the ground than in a pot here. I was hoping yours would. The HMF Gloire definitely was a deeper darker color than mine that I am guessing on HMF photos.

Added: Some HMF photos of GdD do have a color close to my rose. If mine were GdD I'd be thrilled if it turned darker.

Wait, Sheila! I'm confused; I didn't post any photos at all of my GdD, here or on HMF; the link I put up should be to a photo of Marlorena's GdD on HMF. However, looking at ALL of the photos on HMF, the colours seem to vary quite a bit; many show a colour closer to that of the ones you've posted of your plant. Is your plant Ulrich Brunner?

I look at Diane's photo on the "Should I click buy on Munstead Wood" https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6040247/should-i-click-buy-on-munstead-wood#n=38 thread, where she has posted an image of Munstead Wood growing with Ebb Tide-and I love that combination; the two colours are just different enough to make it interesting. So I was wondering if there's enough difference in the colours of GdD and Ebb Tide to make those two be nice together. Eyes For You would be on the other side of GgD, to provide contrast...

I think my rose is HP Ulrich Brunner, Bart. I was trying to say HPs may prefer to be inground, but realized later you had potted yours after being in ground. I think I'll try to clarify my previous remark.

I totally agree the HMF photos can be all over the place sometimes. At times it is hard to tell if it is the correct rose or a mislabel like I got.

For the record, I'm guessing on my UB ID because it was next to Umbra on the RVR's weblist and fit the description so well. I may be contributing to confusion, but I did not post any photos to HMF at least for my rose.

Happy New Year, Sheila. The confusion is probably just due to me reading your post carelessly,lol...

@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR, I was looking at the pic of your fenceline - looks like you're creating a hedge of roses? I've done the same thing at my place. I wish I had as much space as it looks like you do, so I could give each one more room....But in any case since I want the hedge to be impenetrable, I guess it's not so bad that mine are all crammed together next to each other. I think your hedge will be more attractive though!

Yours sounds great, slumgullion! We can have secret gardens. We put an irrigation line along that fence, so it always seems like a good rose spot since the irrigation is already there and it is the South face of the property. I do have almost 5 acres, but I could never take care of it all planted in roses anyway so I have to stop buying more soon. Of course I just came home with 5 more from RVRs yesterday. Whoops.

LOLOLOLOL Sheila! I think with 5 acres you could keep adding roses forever! Once they get well established, they don't all need so much care; especially e.g. the tea roses that don't want a lot of pruning. So your acreage makes me jealous...I have a little over 1 acre, and a lot of it is set aside for fruit orchard, veggie beds, etc. etc. With 200+ roses already, I'm getting to where I have to be VERY picky about what I add, and I may have to start shovel pruning a few that aren't performing as well as others...I hope to avoid that though. My 2021 acquisitions will hopefully be a half-dozen or so, at most, if I can keep myself under control!

..what is 'control'?... this is roses we're talking about, right? best of luck with that... I don't think anybody here has it...

That is really true, slumgullion. Pruning is minimal here.

O, Marlorena, you are so right...

I found a close up of one of my Gloire de Ducher blooms. I hope this helps, Bart!

OMG!!! that is breath-taking! This should inspire me to coddle my own plant along. Some roses do just seem to be slower about getting their feet under them, as it were.

yes, it's a rose that is worth the effort!

I just planted my new Gloire de Ducher in June end 2023, She has grown a little getting comfortable. . She’s a baby from Rogue Valley Roses about 1foot small 2 canes w/ leaves & 3 other stems from main cane:. . She’s in the ground so hoping to see her grow happily. She has Rose Tone, organic fertilizer & trying some Alaska Fish fertilizer, & Morbloom Fish Fertilizer, liquids, too. Fish fertilizers really jump start growth. Looking forward to future gorgeous blooms.

Gloire de Ducher, planted 2 weeks ago.

oh, first year roses sometimes creep a little in growth, but 2nd/3rd years they leap & flourish! If you dont see much growth first year-tgat’s normal. However However, they do their best by 3rd year growth!

@Rosylady (PNW zone 8)

Fabulous, Glorious! Gloire de Ducher photo! How old is she now in 2023?