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There Needs To Be a Comprehensive Conifer Bible

5 years ago

A recent discussion started by one "ctgardenguy" brings up one of the biggest problems for growers of conifers and trees in general. The particular thread was regarding the health of spruce trees ( genus: Picea ) in warmer climates with periods of high humidity. Particularly for people interested in conservation, forestry, and naturalization, there is need for a reference guide that can tell people everything there is to know inside and out about each and every specific conifer species ranging from the pine family (Pinacea) to the lesser known tropical conifers of the southern hemisphere - their moisture requirements, congenial ambient temperatures for said species, its preferred soil culture, tolerance for humidity, elevation in native range, required conditions for the reproductive cycle of said species, its ability to naturalize in different given climate zones and terrain, conditions needed to live out maximum lifespan, and so on. Such a resource would be particularly useful to the hobbyist conservation gardeners who are trying to restock the land with their choices of rare or endangered tree species and/or trying to get new wild pockets of distribution started in their respective locality. Boreal/Alpine species like the Firs, Hemlocks, and Spruce, are some of the trickier ones to figure out. I might have this wrong, but I have been told that certain Fir and Spruce require extreme cold snaps to open up their cones for pollination. Finding that threshold for the minimum requirements that they need in the wild is the real challenge. A case in point is Abies numidica ( Algerian Fir ) - this species is rated for zone 6, but how well does it perform in ambient summer temps above 90 degrees, with high humidity, and alkaline soils with a neutral ph balance? How susceptible is it to noxious parasitic fungi (Armillaria)? Indeed, this type of project would be a massive undertaking.

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  • 5 years ago
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    This is were the enormity of the internet comes in - that is your giant information source with a capacity far beyond what is possible with individual published volumes (digital or paper), sets of volumes or even individual web sites.

  • 5 years ago
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    You have to learn to research these things yourself, using, as a start as Embo says, the internet.

    "A case in point is Abies numidica ( Algerian Fir ) - this species is rated for zone 6, but how well does it perform in ambient summer temps above 90 degrees, with high humidity, and alkaline soils with a neutral ph balance?"

    Search the holdings of botanical gardens in places with those conditions. In the past couple decades there's been a general move afoot/notion that botanical gardens should in some way make their collection info available online. Like, I don't know of any botanical gardens in KS or OK, but surely there are some. I've even used one such database to determine the interesting fact that only Larix kaempferis grown from Japanese sourced seeds (having the heterosis of wild collected seed) lasted at some midwestern botanical garden; those from western sources did not. Because inbreeding seems to be a major problem with the world's Larch seed stocks.

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    I've been looking at some other books with titles that imply information of that type - unfortunately, none of them seem to be cheap; of course, any physical book so jam-packed with all that info would be steep in price.


    One is titled, "The Conifer Manual: Volume 1 (Forestry Sciences Volume (34)) 1991st Edition" by Humphrey J. Welch.


    Another is titled, "Manual of Cultivated Conifers" by Gerd Krussmann, Michael Epp, and Gilbert S. Daniels.


    And another is titled, "Ecological Forest Management" by Jerry F. Franklin, K. Norman Johnson and Debora L. Johnson.

  • 5 years ago

    Yes, the problem with books dedicated to forestry is that such books appeal to a limited demographic, and, as such, are difficult to find and/or expensive to buy. Books on residential landscaping are much more prevalent but almost never deal, for example, with growing conifers from seed. Having said that, in general, the landscaping books dedicated to certain climate regions can give you a great idea about what species will survive in your area. For me, "Landscaping with Conifers and Ginkgo for the Southeast" by Cox and Ruter is an invaluable resource. For example, the book has a nice section about cultivars for Picea orientalis, a great sign that a plantation of P. orientalis (species) trees might be possible here in the South (if you had the patience).


    Sometimes, though, you just have to stick stuff in the ground and learn by trial and error. We are early enough into the globalization of botany that all species have not yet been tried in all microclimates.


    Ron, thanks for the book recommendation. It's now on my wishlist!

  • 5 years ago

    There's lots of print books on conifers, both old and recent with the 3 you have listed seeming to be kind of a random assortment - if you keep searching the web many more should present themselves.

  • 5 years ago

    Embothrium, are there any recommendations in particular that you have in mind?

  • 5 years ago

    the usual comment about any compendium.. is that it is usually out of date.. by the time it gets printed ...


    that said.. they are usually great resources ... dont get me wrong ...


    ken



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    Embo , thanks for the link ... Nice place !

    his name rings a bell,,,,,my mind is going.....

    ron

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