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growing roses organically ????

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

when growing roses organically does that you mean you can't use any chemicals at all?

Can you use either miracle grow or peters to supplement feeding or do you use only organic fertilizer.

Here in Florida I can usually the organic fertilizers in my fall through spring months. But they recommend using a time released chemical for in ground and miracle grow or peters for pots in my summers because we do not want summer growth because of the chili thrips.....

If I spend all fall and winter trying to get my soil healthy does the chemical time release destroy my soil....

How about chemical insecticide.... I have tried to cut back to using only spinosad(which is supposed to be organic) which kills chili thrips on contact.... but in order to control the chili thrips better they recommend using a drench of Imidacloprid (which is not good for bees if sprayed, but supposedly ok if used in drench) and then release predatory mites that would keep them in control.... Over all I would have less spraying.....

But what does the imidaloprid do the soil.... does it kill the soil that I spent trying to make them happy.... Does it kill my earthworms?

I would like to be more organic.... started an worm bin.... using that to build soil.... I use a lot of natural fertilizers.... but I still have Florida summers....

What do organic rose growers use for fungicide? Thanks

Comments (8)

  • 5 years ago

    Neem oil is apparently safe for organic gardening, and is used as a pesticide. Alaska fish fertilizer is also organic.

    sharon2079 thanked Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b
  • 5 years ago

    You have a lot going on there Sharon -- I'm not sure that there is a great organic solution for chili thrips. The idea of predatory mites sounds promising! @Perma n' Posies might have some suggestions (I'm not sure that I did that tag correctly...)

    sharon2079 thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 5 years ago

    This opening post is a cry for help, if there ever was one.

    Best advice for OP is to follow her own advice: “I woild like to be more organic”.

    Quest for perfection can lead to paralysis.

    sharon2079 thanked rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)
  • 5 years ago

    You could try looking into the research done by Harry Hointink, plant pathologist and microbiologist at Ohio State University. He has some very interesting information about soil microbes and the balance required to keep unwanted diseases away and keep plants healthy.

    sharon2079 thanked joeywyomingzone4
  • 5 years ago

    I can't grow roses organically due to midge problem at both my gardens in NY and PA. Without chemical midge control I won't have any blooms. It's not easy to control chili thrips I heard. Maybe your goal is to use less chemical at this point until there is an organic way to control chilly trips.

    sharon2079 thanked summersrhythm_z6a
  • 5 years ago

    Im in a similar situation. So far, i did not use any chemicals, just compost, no spray. but its just not possible with the chilli thrips and midge, not to mention spider mites. so I am planning to spray for these once it starts to warm up. its either that or have no roses since the chilli thips actually kill the entire plant.

    sharon2079 thanked ladybug A 9a Houston area
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    I feel your pain, Sharon. After over 30 years of growing roses in California and rarely, if ever, spraying, chili thrips are weakening my bushes. The bushes start out fine in the milder early months of summer, but once the real heat hits in late summer, the bushes suffer badly. It's just pathetic to see how they suffer.

    I have about 25 bushes, and it's a major part of our garden. If I had fewer bushes, I would just toss them and forget roses! It's a lot of work to spray that many bushes. You can't just do it with a spray bottle.

    I've never tried either of these two possibilities below, but maybe this summer I'll try, especially the second one.

    One possibility I learned of was to remove and bag all damaged foliage and flower buds. Don't just put loose in the trash can as thrips can fly out. Wait until late afternoon or early evening to spray. Bees, etc. will be gone, and there are no flower to attract them anyway.

    I also read that one can alternate the above spinosad with a soapy concoction or ultrafine horticultural oil can work. You can make soapy concoction with 1T detergent (Dawn-type I assume) in a 1 liter spray bottle. Use hot water and shake well to help it dissolve. Ultrafine horticultural oil can be used. Spray thoroughly.

    sharon2079 thanked socks