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Kitchen Layout Question

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

Hello! I am putting a kitchen in our second floor, turning a single family into a two flat. One layout option I have, which I really like aesthetically, is to have a corner sink with a 42-inch corner sink base, about 10 inches of countertop to the left and then our range with an over the range microwave. The range would be up against a wall to its left. So essentially, only 10 plus inches of counter next to the range total. I know it's not ideal, but it makes the layout of the kitchen bigger and more aesthetically pleasing. Anyone have thoughts on this?

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  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Need photos please.

  • 5 years ago
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    10“ of counter space is unacceptable. As is a corner sink. None of that is at all a desirable rentable.

    You’ll need architectural drawings and a whole lot of mandated structural change to create a two family structure from a single family home. That starts with if zoning even allows that to happen.

  • 5 years ago

    How much space on the other side of the sink? I could see prep taking place there if more counter is available, and it's only a step away from the range. You could also provide a cutting board to fit over the corner sink, to increase prep space. Layout would help us give advice.

  • 5 years ago

    I have a house from the 90's with the oven right next to the sink. Trust me when I say don't do it. You will regret it. It is so incredibly dangerous.

  • 5 years ago
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    My apologies for this is a super rudimentary layout. And thank you so much to those of you who have already replied. mama goose_gw zn6OH there is ample counter top space to the right of the sink, and just an arms length (or so) away.


  • 5 years ago
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    Why would you bugger that up with a corner sink when you have yards of room elsewhere not pulling its weight? The sink needs to go under the right window. And the range needs to go where you show the DW, out of the corner against the wall. So it won’t be a fire hazard. Presuming you get the 200K+ and all the permits to make this happen.

  • 5 years ago
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    I agree with those above who have said no to the corner sink. Even if you find it aesthetically pleasing no one living in it will thank you for that. You aren't trying to squeeze your appliances into the space so give people room to work and prep. If it was your own house and you really loved the look, even though i wouldn't agree with you ultimately its your house but for a rental functionality should be a higher priority. Not everyone agrees on what is aesthetically pleasing, but everyone will appreciate a functional kitchen.

  • 5 years ago

    I'm sorry I forgot to mention there is a large radiator underneath the 2 big windows. Nothing will be able to go there. Also, this is actually our home, we won't be renting this flat. :)

  • 5 years ago

    Given that I can't put a sink or any appliances underneath the two big windows, are there any other ideas or thoughts on the layout as it is now?

  • 5 years ago
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    Move the radiator. A project this expensive can’t afford to do it so badly. Or dangerously. Hire the architect. After dealing with the zoning issue. You still have to comply with those regulations limiting a single family home to being a single family home.

  • 5 years ago

    Sounds like most agree that this is a bad layout. I do understand why folks would think the range should be moved to where there's more space, but I'm wondering why a corner sink is a bad idea? I've read about keeping the dishwasher a cabinet away, but other than and a bit of wasted corner space, I'm not sure why it would be a negative. Also, may I ask, Celadon, why you think it would be dangerous? Thank you!

  • 5 years ago

    Generally corner sinks mean that you are actually wasting more space with a corner cabinet. You need to have a significantly larger corner cabinet to accommodate even a small corner sink, that extra width could be put to better use as a drawer bank, or almost any other cabinet. Also typically because you are trying not to use up more cabinet space you end up with a much smaller sink than on a straight run.


    I agree with Celadon, move the radiator if at all possible. You will have more functional working space and you may find it even more aesthetically pleasing too.


    Also where to each of the doors out of the kitchen lead, any chance to close one of them off. (I'd like to see the one to the right of the fridge closed of if possible) This would also open up some more functional options, possibly without moving the radiator.

  • 5 years ago
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    Thank you AFritzler. I am doing this all very low budget and moving the radiator just isn't in the cards right now. The door on the left leads out to the stairwell and outside/to the basement, and the door on the right leads into the dining room. There is no other way inside the rest of the home from the back door, so closing off the door next to the fridge wouldn't be an option.

    I could put the stove on the wall opposite the windows, it would just increase the depth of the cabinets/counters on that wall, which is a walkway between the two doors. I think that's how the kitchen was originally before it was removed. Any thoughts on that?

  • 5 years ago

    It isn't ideal to have you work space cross a main walk way but you may not be able to work around it.


    Why don't you try something like this.


    Centre the range on the wall opposite the window. Get rid of all the corner cabinets and create a wide galley kitchen. (you could likely have extra deep cabinets on the window wall to give you a bit more counter and cabinet space) I would then put the sink under the far left window (maybe don't centre it if that won't bother you to give a bit more counter space on the left side of the sink). And then put the fridge on the far right, dishwasher pretty much stays where it is.

    If it's in your budget you could also put 45 degree cabinets on the ends of the range wall to help the flow of traffic a bit.

    Essentially this ends up being a galley kitchen.


    Also be sure that you can tie in your hood fan in the ceiling to an external vent. (can be done in most attic spaces.)

    julessuz thanked AFritzler
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    The range looks like it is in a very dangerous location. You need landing space on both sides of the range. But both sides are super tight. I think this layout will be really problematic. Before building the kitchen in this location, figure out a way to move the range to a new location. It isn't worth the time and expense of building the kitchen if the range is in such an awkward (and dangerous location).


    I think AFritzler's idea would be best if you can't move the radiator. Make it a galley kitchen and straighten out the counter where the fridge and range currently are. Then deepen the cabinets on the other side and add the range. That gives you more counter space and a function floor plan.


  • 5 years ago

    If you don’t have the budget to move the radiators, you do not have the budget y to even begin to approach doing this project. It’s WAY more expensive than you are thinking. The only thing more expensive are the fines for when you get caught trying to do it unsafely and without permits.

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you, AFritzler! I looked up 45 degree cabinets and only found corners. Do you have a link to a cabinet that you're referring to for the ends of the range wall?


    Also, do you have any opinion as to whether a built in microwave (and cabinet on top) needs to be/should be above the range? I suppose the only other place for it would be above the dishwasher, which would be strange.


    Thanks again!

  • 5 years ago

    I am sorry, I have done this many times but I work for a custom cabinet company. I can't seem to find any like what I'm referring to in stock cabinets either.


    This picture shows what I'm referring to. But it may not be possible if you are using stock cabinets.

    Obviously the cabinets wouldn't continue on but would have a finished end after the 45 .


    You could look into semi custom cabinets, I've never worked for a semi custom company but it might be an option.



    julessuz thanked AFritzler
  • 5 years ago

    On the corner sink topic... I have one and hate it. There is only room for one person at the sink and in your case when the oven or dishwasher is open the sink is blocked off. And yes they really waste storage space. My dishwasher is to the right like your layout picture and while cleaning up from a meal it is a totally jammed up space. Just my experience........

    julessuz thanked Kim Weaver
  • 5 years ago
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    Thank you mama goose_gw zn6OH. I really like this idea, and I have no idea why I hadn't thought about it before. Of course there would be a little less space between the dishwasher and the sink, which I know isn't ideal. In order not to feel wedged in when the dishwasher is open, how much space between it do you think it necessary? Also, do you think it would be a bad look to have the built in micorwave and cabinet above the range on tha wall in between the windows?

    I also like your idea of the 45 degree cabinets if I can find them in stock cabinets AFritzler. I'd love your thoughts on the above option too!

    Thank you so much for everyone who has taken the time to help. I really appreciate it.

  • 5 years ago

    I had another thought that I could put the microwave in a base cabinet somehow. It would eliminate anything clunky between the windows and I may like it better that way. Any thoughts on that too? :)

  • 5 years ago

    "I had another thought that I could put the microwave in a base cabinet somehow."

    There's lots of counter space to the left of the refrigerator. You could just put a countertop microwave there. Everything doesn't have to be built in.

    -- amateur

  • 5 years ago

    Were you planning to use a 30" range? DW is 24" plus a panel to support the countertop. You could use a stock 15" pull-out or drawer base, and filler to the left of the DW, or a custom base up to 17" and 3/4" panel to the left of the DW. Either leaves space to stand in front of the sink.

    MW should go near fridge, maybe change the diagonal upper and put MW in an upper to the left? The corner might need to be voided.

    With no upper cabinets to help contain the steam and grease plume, the range hood should be 6" wider than the cooktop, if space permits.