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What Would Be a Perfect Fall Rose?

I'm thinking ahead -- if I want to make a perfect bouquet that just says AUTUMN IS HERE! -- which roses would you include? I have some peachy roses, a couple of yellows...the dark of Munstead Wood...but I'm wondering if there are fall colored roses or combos that you think are amazing for fall? I know it's weird to be thinking of fall deep in winter when all we can dream of is spring and summer...but it occurs to me that I'm often looking longingly at beautiful fall arrangements when I'm thinking of Thanksgiving and Halloween...


Dazzle me, please!

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  • 5 years ago

    Distant Drums.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
  • 5 years ago

    I love my Distant Drums. So much I have 2! Great thinking. Though mine are usually more pastel-ish in the heat (and we usually are warm still going into autumn. This was taken in November of this last year.



  • 5 years ago

    How fun!! I don't grow all of these but I would probably start with Just Joey and Adobe Sunrise for rust tones, deep warm oranges always make me think of fall! Then I'd add a mini like Teddy Bear or Pumpkin Patch for some texture differences, and a burgundy like Munstead Wood, a deep intense yellow like Sparkle & Shine, and fill in gaps with sprays of lavender.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked joeywyomingzone4
  • 5 years ago

    Any of the golden/honey colored roses paired with deep brooding reds, and some accent colors in oranges, yellows, and mauves... My lavender blooms in spring, so I would probably lean on any of a number of perennial salvia or smaller-flowered native members of aster-family for fillers.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Philip F
  • 5 years ago

    I really think that anything that is blooming prolifically at that time could make a wonderful fall bouquet. A few that come to mind:

    Lady Hillingdon


    Perle d'Or (I still had blooms on this at the beginning of this month)


    Versigny, looking fresher than the rest in a bouquet on a cold November day, and below that you see it in a pinker mood earlier in the season.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 5 years ago

    I don't have it, but I've always admired Pumpkin Patch.
    Carla in Sac

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  • 5 years ago

    K
    Where did you get Versigny?
    I desperately want one!!!
    Carla in Sac

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    Carla , you can get it from Pat at roses unlimited and while you are browsing check out Paul bocouse bc it’s gorgeous too !! And roberto cappucci . And heaven on earth .. lol

    Valencia is one I loved for fall !!

    my distant drums

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca
  • 5 years ago

    I love Augusta Luise just as much in the fall as in the spring. Some of her colors are darker in fall, but the lighter pinks are still around,too. She has big fall flushes. Munstead Wood is wonderful in fall with lots of very dark and brooding blooms. It, too, blooms plenty in fall. Julia Child, Young Lycidas, and a lot of others are excellent fall bloomers when the big heat is finally leaving. Diane

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  • 5 years ago

    These bouquets and blooms are all from late October (note Halloween decorations). About a day two after these photos were taken, we had a severe killing frost. I had picked bouquets like crazy for two days because I knew what was coming. Diane

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  • 5 years ago

    Something bright and warm like Just Joey or Outrageous can bring a ray of summer if that's what you're looking for!

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  • 5 years ago

    I vote for Honey Dijon and Koko Loco. Either one looks great with deep reds like Munstead Wood or deep purples like Twilight Zone. Traditional fall colors don't look right in my house, but these muted shades still say fall to me.

    My Versigny also came from RU. He prefers to be on the dry side, so he's perfect for water restricted areas. He's planted between water hog Austins, so he gets a quick spray and the Austins get a good soak.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
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    Would Augusta luise or Versigny work in a bouquet like this? Along with munstead or a similar rose..

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Ashley Smith zone 5a
  • 5 years ago

    I dont grow or have pictures but in my search for lavender roses I came across Lavender Pinochio that is pretty unique with kind of a beige lavender color. Also a miniature rose calked Chipmunk that kind of looks like a miniature Koko Loko.

    I see that Beth had added Lavender Pinocchio to her 2021 list of purchases.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
  • 5 years ago

    I'll second Pumpkin Patch!

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked seil zone 6b MI
  • 5 years ago

    Good one Seil !

    How about Soiced Coffee ?

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
  • 5 years ago

    I have two 'Spiced Coffee'....they always look very pink in my garden, but are sooooooo pretty!! Maybe as they mature they'll get more of the brown tones.







    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
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    I think that your Spiced Coffee it is beautiful

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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    'The Lark Ascending' has an ethereal look which I think would look good in a fall arrangement:




    And 'Charles Darwin' has a muted color that is so pretty...


    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
  • 5 years ago

    Carla, as Lilyfinch and Flowersaremusic mentioned you can get Versigny from Pat at Roses Unlimited. I think she might be the only source for Guillot roses in the USA? I've also got Sonia Rykiel and Paul Bocuse -- I love them both for different reasons. Paul Bocuse is another candidate for great fall bouquets.


    Ashley, I think Versigny and Munstead Wood could look fantastic in a bouquet, but also have a look at Lady Emma Hamilton and the Lady of Shallot.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked K S 7a Yakima
  • 5 years ago

    Thank you, all! So many great ideas here. I already grow Munstead Wood -- yay! But maybe I need another to add more blooms. I just added a second Koko Loco (and I have 2 Distant Drums). I have a very small Golden Celebration (which should be a more golden yellow than my poets wife) that I bought as a 4" plant so it's taking a while, and I just planted Augusta Luise...so maybe all I'm missing is a more intense orangy-red, which I don't usually plant b/c it's not my favorite, but I'm always attracted to in fall... I will look all of these up! These are gorgeous photos. I'm not familiar at all with Versigny or Paul Bocuse. More roses for me to drool over...but where will I put them? I have visions of pots of roses taking over my entire patio. I still don't know where I'm going to put 2 more roses that are yet to get here (Sweet Delight from Palatine and DA Heritage from Heirloom). So maybe I do need some pots. I could put an orange-y rose in a pot and put it front and center when autumn is in the air, and tuck it away when I'm feeling more spring-y.


    Also - do any of you grow Perfect Moment? It looks pretty, though not fragrant. Sadly.


    Diane -- I've said it before and will say it again -- I aspire to grow roses like yours. So gorgeous. Joey - Adobe Sunrise looks nice - is it fragrant? Philip - you obviously have a designer eye. I do love my salvia. I keep trying to grow an earl gray smoky salvia, but it's not as vigorous as I'd like. KS - love your Lady Hillingdon. Carla - I think I'd love Pumpkin Patch about 2 months out of the year...so probably that wouldn't be my best bet. But I bet it would look gorgeous with Celestial Nights...? Lilyfinch - stop giving so many suggestions! See comment re endless pots!


    I will have to look again at Honey Dijon -- that might be perfect. Ashley - that is a gorgeous bouquet. Yours? I like the names, Kristine! I am always tempted by a well named rose...


    Seil -- your pic is of pumpkin patch??? That doesn't look at all like what is advertised!

    Rosylady -- I have planted Dahlias before and they act like annuals for me. I wonder if they don't like our winter rains. Yours are gorgeous! I have some I loved this last year that I hope come back.


    Thank you again, everyone!!! :-)


  • 5 years ago

    This was my ‘Rosie the Riveter the end of August.


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  • 5 years ago

    Thank you, Deborah. You're making some great choices, and I agree that two Munstead Wood plants are the way to go. In fall, I am surprised how autumnal Augusta Luise can look with her darker colors. Abbaye de Cluny is a nice soft orange you might take a look at. Diane





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    Thanks, Deborah. I agree that growing two Munstead Wood roses is a good way to go. Even though we like the ruffly light pinks of Augusta Luise, it's still surprising to me how autumnal she can look in fall. Abbaye de Cluny is a nice soft orange you might want to take a look at. Diane

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  • 5 years ago

    Re: Lavender Pinocchio - the little fella isn't vigorous here. He stays small between Young Lycidas and Strawberry Hill. Someday I'll learn not to put needy little roses between Austins. I'm moving him to a pot so we can enjoy his unusual colors on the patio. I like him a lot, he's just going to be small. He seems to do better with lots of water. I bet he would thrive in warmer zones.

    Rosylady, I had no idea Spiced Coffee looks like that. I thought she was an orangey red. Love the variable coloring.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
  • 5 years ago

    Diane, I think Abbaye de Cluny is the top pic, but what is the bottom one? Surely not Augusta? If so, she has more faces than I imagined. How many AL's do you have and if you had room, would you grow more of her?

    Rosylady, I had Spiced Coffee confused with Hot Cocoa, which is a warm red. I would call your Spiced Coffee something like Strawberry Lemonade or Pink Grapefruit. If I bought one, it would only have the brown tones.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
  • 5 years ago

    Flowers, the bottom photo is Augusta Luise in her Autumn colors. See how dark she can be in the first bouquet photo I posted farther above. Sorry about the double posting above. It didn't load I thought, and then later the post and photos shows up. I have one AL, and she is really big. Yes, I'd have at least one more if I had the room. Diane

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    For me, the perfect autumn rose would have colorful leaves and hips, with or without flowers. I don’t have one yet, but I hear that some rugosas have all three.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
  • 5 years ago

    Diane....can you tell us a little bit more about how Abbaye de Cluny has done for you? I have a plant waiting to go into the ground.


    noseometer...that's a great point I didn't think of: rose hips. They are so beautiful and the epitome of autumnal.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
  • 5 years ago

    They're not blooms, but I appreciate autumn colours of foliage and hips.

    Rosa setigera

    Steven

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  • 5 years ago

    Rosylady, I've grown Abbaye de Cluny for about 13 years. She is a Meilland Romantica hybrid tea. She is a very reliable bloomer, who in spite of too much tree shade and root competition, blooms all season long. She has a good spring flush, but what I like is the constant presence of some blooms. She is a big (about 7X5 feet), who would possibly be larger without the boxwood squeezing her on both sides, and a dopey tree just a few feet away. I'd like to see what she does in a better spot, but I don't have one to give her. I'll bet you have some choice spots, and I think she'll do well in your garden. Just give her some space. Can't wait to see photos of your Abbaye. Diane

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  • 5 years ago

    Here are a couple more pics of my Pumpkin Patch for comparison.

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  • 5 years ago

    I just remembered that I have ANOTHER Augusta Luise coming in fall from Peter @ Freedom Gardens, in addition to the new one I just planted from Palatine...and I already have 2 Carding Mill. So -- I think I will stick with the peachy ones I have and maybe grow another Munstead (which I love)...Not that you all need to know my every plan! But the ideas shared here have given me inspiration. I also have a Madam Anisette that should give me the creamy tones -- and I have a Marmalade Skies that I planted for my husband...so if they all bloom together, I could make a pretty gorgeous fall bouquet...Plus I just planted two more roses that could work well in a fall arrangement -- Polka and Mel's Heritage. Though they are so small, it will probably be a while before I get a lot.


    Thank you all -- again -- for your great ideas! I went out several times this weekend trying to imagine where I could fit one more rose -- just can't do it. I still have these coming: Sweet Delight, Eustacia Vye, Gabriel Oak, and Heritage. Plus I have that one more AL coming in fall. So...already I don't have room for these. What am I thinking that I could add another? The only way I'm adding another rose this year is if I finally give up on Dark Desire, Madam Anisette, and Queen of Sweden. All have been beyond slow to take off. This is year 4. If they don't deliver this year... I moved MA & DD to new locations to see if that helps.

  • 5 years ago

    You can send your overage to me--Augusta, Polka, and Gabriel. Oh, wait--I don't have any space, either. I can't wait to see photos of all these when then get going in your California weather. Diane

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  • 5 years ago

    Deborah, I love your plan and glad you posted the roses you have and have coming. Dark reds like Munstead and peachy/apricots look so great together. If you toss Dark Desire, Gabriel Oak could go in it's place, although it's not quite as dark. My Dark Desire only lived long enough to get very tall and produce enough blooms to make me fall in love, then she died. Her upright form was out of place in my sprawling DA area. I put Shakespeare in her place.

    I'm interested in how you like Polka - not that it'd be the same here, but I think it's such a pretty frilly bloom. I also have Mel's Heritage coming. I thought for years it was a tender rose, but it's rated to z5. Yay!!

    You are going to have a gorgeous and huge fall bouquet for your Thanksgiving table this year.

    DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
  • 5 years ago

    This has been a really fun thread. It's great to hear your plans @DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)! I just planted Munstead Wood, Polka and Lady of Shalott last fall...and I now I'm looking forward to the idea of fall colored bouquets, after reading the comments here.


    @DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) and @flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA Where did you order Mel's Heritage? RVR? I have big plans for 2022 that include building a large pergola over our patio and it would be the one spot big enough to grow something as big and marvelous as Mel's Heritage. I'd previously been considering Madame Alfred Carrière for this future spot but after joining this forum, it sounds like if I had to choose just one giant climber, it should be Mel's Heritage.

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  • 5 years ago

    Librarian, yes, I ordered Mel's Heritage from RVR. Mel's H will be just perfect on your patio pergola. Mme Alfred C is lovely and tried to grow it, but I betcha Mel's will bloom more than MAC. I'm thrilled I finally realized I can grow it here. Roses that grow that big and bloom that much and also have fragrance, plus, are bred by someone I like to think of as a friend, are few and far between.

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  • 5 years ago

    Sorry I was AWOL and missed your question, Librarian! Yes, I got mine from Rogue Valley Roses. Tiny little band delivered before Thanksgiving. Still a tiny little thing with one tiny set of leaves. Others assure me it's growing, but... I've got several one-gallons from Heirloom -- and they just take off, and I've got a few 4" pot roses from Annie's Annuals, and those take off, too. This band... I'm hoping he just needs the spring to start growing. Even though I'm in Santa Barbara, it *is* winter...still -- I hope I didn't get a dud! I'm hoping my Mel's Heritage will spill down a slope but also kind of fountain up to block my view of my neighbor's house. We don't have fences...so I'm hoping MH will do the job!


    I also got MAC from Heirloom, and she is really growing quickly. I put her in a tough situation -- shady slope. So we'll see how she likes that. Here's hoping.


    The other climbers that are brand new for me, and came in 1 gallon pots from Heirloom include Polka and Teasing Georgia. Then I grabbed a Colette from my local nursery bare-root, but I think own-root. I will be awash in climbers soon! My Me'ls Heritage will be near my Albrighton Rambler and Grandmother's Hat...


    Flowers -- what does your band look like right now?