Im sorry but i dont know why the photos are sideways!

probably just to piss us off ....

track down those parts.. and make sure they arent sprouts from the roots of a grafted plant ... otherwise.. i dont know why half the plant has such.. and the other half is perfect ...

are the leave patterns on both pieces the same.. some look much smaller ...

did the whole plant bloom.. or just the green parts??

so may questions.. so little time ...

ken

Yes sharon, inundated with rain now. must be it. I never saw this before but im new to this area here in N Fla. Its my fist spring to summer here. thank you

Ken. leaf pattern the same, yes blommed on all of plant and not sprouts from the roots i checked.

Thank you both for responding. its a McCartney rose by the way. Big beautiful flowers.

Abykatz: I look at your pics. 4 times. We have flash flood right now, 3 inch. of rain in the bucket on Friday morning, 6 inch. of rain in the bucket on Sat. morning. More rain for the next 4 days. Upper leaves curl up means its too acidic from calcium leaching out. Rain leaches out calcium first, then nitrogen, potassium, and sulfur. The pale leaves is from major nutrients NOT available due to leaching plus lower pH of rain. pH of rain in my Chicagoland is 4.5. I limed all my roses, plus put pea-gravel prior to rain to prevent upper leaves from curling up from too acidic. Click on below pic. to see all major nutrients (calcium, nitrogen, potassium, magnesium, and sulfur ) less available at pH of rain (below 5):

Below is the pH of rain across USA, click to enlarge:

Below shows own-root Munstead Wood in acidic condition: upper leaves curled up & leaves turned pale after heavy rain:

Below shows the same Munstead Wood after I replaced the soil with bagged soil at pH 8 a few months later. To raise the pH by 1 point the area occupied by a rose bush (2' x 2'), it takes 1 cup of Garden lime for clay, 3/4 cup of Garden lime for loamy soil, and 1/2 cup of Garden lime for sand. Best Garden lime is the dolomitic type (22% calcium with 12% magnesium).

^^ That's an interesting conclusion but it sure doesn't match my experience! Most soils here in the PNW are naturally acidic - in the 6.0 - 6.5 range - which is the soil pH roses prefer and also tends to be the range where the widest availability of soil nutrients are concentrated. I have never limed the soil in my life!!

What rootstock your roses are grafted on? Multiflora-rootstock can take acidic rain better than own-root roses. I have 140+ own-root roses, plus a few grafted-on-Dr.Huey. Grafted-on-Dr.Huey absolutely hates acidic rain. Frank Gatto, rose nursery owner in PNW advised liming roses in March when there's lots of rain. Own-root roses vary depending on their genetics & where they were bred.

Plus if your soil has excellent drainage, no need for liming. If your soil is rich in calcium, no need for liming. I have poor drainage clay where rain-water accumulates, so I need liming, plus my soil test report advised calcium. Below is internet pic. of calcium deficiency in pepper: note upper leaves curl up. Years ago I saw that on my Poseidon rose (right next to the rainspout) after heavy rain, so I have been liming and NO MORE UPPER LEAVES CURL UP.

Below is Poseidon, pic. taken this week of flash flood, over 6 inch of rain per day. Pic. taken 6/27/21, second flush in zone 5, no more upper leaves curled up from calcium def.

Maybe its time for a soil test. :) thanks all for chimeing in!

Straw gives excellent advice on the nutrients and causes of roses.... and how to fix them.

Also on a side note, I had the McCartney Rose. It died last year in my terrible floods.... however, I had two really bad back to back floods with brackish water from the intracostal.

But it had made several small floods... it is a tough rose and should bounce back for you.

Good luck.

I agree with the others, too much rain causes yellow growth, in time it should turn green on its own. The yellow is from lack of nitrogen, if you haven't feed your rose recently, this might be a good time to do so.

The soil ph in Gainesville can cover a huge range from acid to slightly basic. Its good that you're thinking of getting a soil test before adding lime.

McCartney Rose was not a vigorous rose for me in Newberry Fl, just next door to Gainesville. I had 3 on their own roots, lost 1 the first year. The other two were always puny, but worth having for the blooms. They probably would have done better on rootstock.

Hi neighbor (ValRose)…..we live off Newberry Rd. Thank you for your input.

i fertilized about 3 weeks ago with Rosetone. will do again soon,

and yes the yellow leaves are getting greener now. it is near a down spout and since the yellowing started with the heavy rain Im sure its what you say. it came from Garden Gate here in town last summer and was a gift so its special to me. Been in the ground for close to a year now and havent seen this til now. It has huge beautiful flowers. Im considering moving it to a better location. i really appreciate your sharing your experience here on the local level! I have so much to learn about growing in Gainesville, its a bit of a challenge! Thanks.

What is the rootstock of this rose.... if it is on fortuniana I think you will have a hard time moving it..... I have not been successfully moving them... There roots are very shallow but spread out for a great distance... up to 10 ft... so it is hard to get the roots.... However, I have been told it is best to cut a circle around the rose with your shovel but DO NOT dig up... then later in fall go back around the same circle and cut again. This procedure is to make the roots but out more roots closer to the bush, so that when you take it up out of the ground it will have a good root support system that is easier to up heave.... I have not tried this as I learned after I killed my roses from trying to dig them up.

Even if the roses are not on fortuniana I think this is the way I will go here in Florida from now on when I have to transplant....

Also I would wait to move a root bush till fall when it is cooler and the plant will have less stress.

Thanks for your advice Sharon2079. i have no idea what rootstock its on. it appears to be grafted though. i didnt purchase it. it was a gift.

Update: the light colored new growth has greened up nicely and there is no leaf curl..

finally we had a rain free day today….however bracing for a possible tropical storm hit which will bring more rain. oh well, at least the lawn likes it! :)

Thank you all for your comments.

I hope the storm misses both of us.

strawchicago: I noted your picture of Poseidon, which you describe as being taken ”… this week of flash flood, over 6 inch of rain per day” ( 9 days ago).

I see no or very minimal balling. That’s not my experience with Poseidon. Even with a tiny fraction of the rain you received.

What is your secret?

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Rifis: finally see your question. I really need to check for page 2 of Houzz since threads got bumped down so often. My experience with low-thorn roses: they like fluffy soil as own-root. So I fixed my rock-hard clay with lots of gypsum, plus a bag of coarse sand, plus I placed high-potassium red-lava rock at the outer circumference of the bottom of hole. High potassium helps to prevent balling by pushing the petals out. Potassium regulates water-osmosis. I also use sulfate of potash as soluble.