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neighbor illegally using mothballs

5 years ago

Hello friends. We are living through a kitchen/bathroom reno at our home and spending most of our time in our garage ("kitchen") and backyard. We live in the city on a lot close to our neighbor, a neighbor we've been friendly with for 11 years. She spotted a skunk on her Ring camera the other day and laid out a bunch of mothballs all over her yard, including right up against our property line, to supposedly repel the skunk (and other creatures like raccoons, opossums - city critters). I immediately knew she did this without seeing or being told she did because the chemical smell is so intense and we can smell it every time we step outside now. And indeed there are dozens of mothballs around the property.

I asked her about it nicely and said I'd see if the smell died down in a day, but it didn't, and those mothballs are cooking in 80+ degree sun all day. We're breathing in the nasty toxic fumes. I texted and asked her to remove them, said I'd purchase coyote urine to spray on her property and ours, but she didn't agree to remove them. Instead, she made a passive aggressive comment about smelling the porta potty on our driveway this renovation and our last one and said she doesn't complain about that so why am I complaining about the mothballs? (I'm really sensitive to smells, so if the porta potty really smelled I'm certain I would notice and I myself would have already complained to the construction company, but I've now asked them to have it moved further away from her property-- all she had to do was say something! I don't think comparing is fair-- the mothballs are being used illegally and they emit noxious fumes by nature!).

What argument would you make? I see online that there's nothing to back up claims that mothballs repel critters. So it's not an evidence-based method. Are there surefire products I can purchase to keep the city critters at bay? (We're a natural, organic, earthy kind of family, I don't want inhumane products or traps.)

THANK YOU. Feeling really stressed about this.

Comments (13)

  • 5 years ago

    Have you looked at your city ordinances and codes to find out if noxious fumes are included as a sanitary nuisance? Perhaps contacting your state or local environmental agency for backup?

    Mothballs are regulated by the EPA for how they can be used and contained. She might not know that these are toxic and that they are regulated by the EPA. You could share this information from the National Pesticide Center http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/ptype/mothball/regulation.html

    She's being passive aggressive because she knows she's wrong and she knows she's harming somebody else but she doesn't want to take responsibility for it. I'm sorry she's a tragic neighbor.

  • 5 years ago

    @jenk thank you, I actually sent an article to her from that site — in case she didn’t know the fumes are carcinogenic. We have two little kids running around and while I don’t think they’re going to get cancer from breathing in these toxic fumes, I do think it’s bad for them and bad for the birds, bees, butterflies that we e worked so hard to care for in our California native plant garden 😢

  • 5 years ago

    Contact the California Department of Pesticide Regulations: https://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/enforce/enf_auth.htm

    They are responsible for monitoring and enforcing both state and federal pesticide regulations. I'd bet they'd be pretty interested in a federal violation that was such a health hazard!

  • 5 years ago

    I don’t want to escalate the disagreement but would rather try to convince her with a more effective and compelling solution.

    Has anyone successfully kept skunks at bay? Is our open compost pile something we should volunteer to get rid of? Maybe that’s a good source?

  • 5 years ago

    Sorry— FOOD source?

  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Dress in all black, wear gloves, and steal them at night, repeat as needed.☻

  • 5 years ago

    so sorry. I have a neighbor who is a bit more than difficult to deal with or to accept, so I can really emphasize with your problem. I can feel your aggravation and understand fully.

    Some of thess things that disgruntled neighbors can get up to are not illegal despite that we thing that they ought to be.

    One example is that is not illegal to engulf your neighbors house in purposly lit fire smoker chimmey if you can claim that you are just cooking some dinner. Codes like that only govern town houses and not single famly houses. Code address only fire safety in town houses, not noxious purposely created smoke from some waste product and in strategically placed as to have the most impact on you and for no other reason. so, yes, I can relate to your problem with a nasty neighbor.

    By the way, I had to get rid of my open compost pile because it was attracting rats and I have never had rats here before in all of the 40 years, until just a few years ago. Always had an open compost. No more. It had to go.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Not a solution, but the Paint Odor R95 masks work to protect against noxious fumes. 3M used to make a gray one that worked well. It’s hard with high temps and almost impossible to carry on a conversation in one, but if you have one available, it might make you less angry when you go outside, and you might be able to tolerate being out there long enough to do what you need to do. Other disposable masks don’t work against strong smells.

    I can relate to what you are going through, and I hope it gets resolved soon.

    If it were me, I would look into legal options. You can investigate without acting on them if you want to think about it or wait until the renovation is complete. (Do you think your renovation has affection the critter population? Were there digging or landscaping changes?) It might make sense to wait until after the renovation is complete to see if things settle down critter-wise. At least the equipment will be gone and the neighbor won’t have that to complain about.

    A long time ago, I got a dog barking complaint from animal control and I acted on it. So if someone else in your community chimes in (law enforcement or neighbor), it might help. If your community uses nextdoor.com or has a facebook group, maybe you could start a discussion about pest control safety that ventures into the mothball discussion. It can be tense, but sometimes those discussions end up with partial consensus or distinct opposing positions being agreed upon. It will give you an idea of what neighbors think, and some neighbors may offer better solutions for critter control.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Hi - what a yucky problem!

    And I understand skunks fear nothing and nobody, which could make it hard to find something that repels them. I agree that it might be best to try to help her repel them more safely. Perhaps framing it as being concerned for her safety and wanting to help her would be more persuasive?

    Well look at this - from Lowes.com:

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EPIC-Skunk-Scram-5-5-lb-Shaker/5000151305?cm_mmc=shp-

  • 4 years ago

    EPA

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Jessica Jones:


    That's one of the funniest posts I've ever read here. Thanks.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    A big hunkin' leaf blower has multiple uses, but blowing mothballs isn't one I've seen advertised by manufacturers. I suspect it will be in the future when they identify a new marketing opportunity. Could even be a new twist on paint ball.


    I invested in a really big backpack-mounted leaf blower (it came with a coupon deck from a local chiropractor.) I've found it to be effective for blowing leaves and debris from my yard into my neighbors'. I suggest purchasing the biggest one you can find so you don't need to leave the safety and security of your front or back steps to accomplish the task. As always, wear the proper personal protective equipment whenever operating it.