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David Austin rose variety suggestions?

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

I'm fairly new to growing roses, and have my eyes on a few David Austin varieties. Any suggestions for zone 7b? I probably need to stay away from types that are prone to disease or need special maintenance. I absolutely love a peony-style bloom.

Here are a few that I have my eye on, but if any are inappropriate for a newbie to rose gardening, please let me know! I'm in zone 7b.

-Bathsheba climber

-Teasing Georgia climber

-Tess of the d'Urbervilles climber

-Wollerton Old Hall climber

-Olivia Rose

-Emily Bronte

-Eustacia Vye

-Princess Alexandra of Kent

-Desdemona, or another creamy or white variety

Also, if you grow these, how thorny are they - will I need gloves to gather them for cuttings?

Thank you!

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  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    I have Teasing Georgia and Tess as own-roots, and Tess bloomed easily in a pot compared to Teasing Georgia with plenty of rain. I bought both Golden Cel (my 2nd one) and Teasing Georgia as tiny own-roots this May, so far I pinched off at least 10 buds on Golden Cel., versus 2 on Teasing Georgia.

    A friend in Southern CA with only 12" of rain with alkaline clay grows both Tess and Teasing Georgia (both grafted-on-Dr.Huey) and she likes Tess better. Below is my Tess in only 4 hours of morning sun, it's a 3rd-year own-root:


    In Facebook fragrant rose forum with Pakistan rose growers, there's a discussion about why Teasing Georgia becomes stingy after 5+ years as grafted, that's the same problem my friend in CA has !! In contrast, Teasing Georgia blooms abundantly as own-root for some one else. Climber takes a while to establish, so I expect my own-root Teasing Georgia behave like Crown Princess Mag. (gave me only 2 blooms the first year, now as 10th-year-own root CPM is loaded & continuous).

    sakkakya thanked strawchicago z5
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Give Bliss a look. It's not an Austin but a Kordes, but has a more refined flower to me, than very similar looking, Emily Bronte. Bliss is pretty cast iron regarding disease.

    Olivia Rose is one of Austin's best, and should present few disease issues.

    Moses

    sakkakya thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
  • 5 years ago

    Teasing Georgia does well in my Zone 7a garden. So does Tess. TG is a much bigger plant.

    I don't remember where I got it but I think it's grafted. Mine still blooms well after approx. 15 years. It does need some major pruning. This is 2012...it's twice as big now.


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    sakkakya thanked erasmus_gw
  • 5 years ago

    I grow Desdamona and it isight thorn and blooms a lot.

    Teasing Georgia has bern kind of ow but the bloons are beautiful.

    My favorite of my 3 is Olivia Austin

    Zero disease and never stops blooming



    sakkakya thanked Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
  • 5 years ago

    Ohj wow!! Incredible roses everyone!! :) :)

  • 5 years ago

    Boscobel is a great Rose. Last in a vase, fragrant and low thorn.

    sakkakya thanked Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
  • 5 years ago

    Thank you all SO much!


    strawchicago z5 your Tess is stunning! Thank you for posting the pic.


    erasmus_gw do you mind me asking what the climbing pink roses in your photo are? Both of those are beautiful!


    librarian_gardner_8b_pnw Thank you! I just added Boscobel to my wish list. Those blooms are exactly what I am looking for - that gorgeous peony-style. And that color is swoon-worthy.


    Kristine LeGault 8a pnw thank you! Is the picture of Olivia Rose or Desdemona? Whatever those roses are, I might need to get them. Are you saying that Desdemona has lots of thorns? Or not too many? Thank you so much! How old is your rose bush in that picture? Sorry for all the questions.


    Thanks everyone VERY much!!



  • 5 years ago

    Spirit of Freedom and Munstead Wood are must haves!

  • 5 years ago

    Sakkakya,

    The pink rose on the left is Lavender Lassie. It's a hybrid musk with a lot of vigor. I don't see any other pink climber in the picture but I do see a little pink Hannah Gordon peeking out on the right. That rose really declined in shade but after cutting down a maple tree it is back.


    I like Tess a lot too. It's a good bloomer . I put one on one side of an arbor a year or so ago and it is reaching the top . It puts out big orange hips. It's very thorny.




    I especially like that picture of Emily Bronte, librariangardener. For people who love to read the Bronte sisters books, there was a good tv movie made about them called To Walk Invisible. It was really well done.

    That Olivia Rose looks so tempting. I would grow it if I had room. Munstead Wood is one of the most beautiful deep burgundy roses...I love it.

    As far as disease goes, many older Austins are susceptible to blackspot. DA Roses claims that newer varieties are more blackspot resistant. I don't know. I grow mostly old ones.


    Some Kordes roses seem to have good blackspot resistance and many newer ones have the peony or cup shape you like. Cinderella Fairy Tale is one:





    Some of these blooms are on the small side. My plant is really strong and big. I don't think I see a bit of bs on it. Not much fragrance to me, but I'd say it makes a good beginner rose if you have some room.

  • 5 years ago
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    I agree with @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR about Spirit of Freedom and Munstead Wood. Both are among my favorites. Both are 1st year own roots (1 quart planted last fall for MW and 1 gallon planted this April for SoF) in my garden and both are healthy and floriforous. Great fragrances too.

    (Other favorites: Boscobel, Emily Bronte, Wollerton Old Hall, Young Lycidas, Crown Princess Margareta, Lady of Shalott. Everything is so young that I'll probably have even more favorites in a few years once they mature. These are just the ones that were vigorous and beautiful from the start)


    @erasmus_gw I love your TG and LL. I have a young TG that i hope one day is as breathtaking as yours! Thanks about Emily Bronte. I had no idea I'd like this rose as much as I do. In its first year it's more floriforous and fragrant and beautiful than Eustacia Vye and I had thought EV would be my most favorite new DA. EB also shows less thrips damage than EV, too.

  • 5 years ago

    Desdamona is low thorn. Blooms dont last as long as Olivia so lots of deadheading.

    Desdamona

    Olivia


    She is about 3 1/2 ft by 3 fy

    Healthy and bloomy.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    So Desdemona and Emily Bronte look sort of similar. Not really, but with limited space I should probably choose 1 or the other. Does anybody grow both? Or is anyone completely head over heals about one or the other?

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Desdemona has a cup shaped peony look like WollertonOld Hall. Emily Bronte has a quartered bloom with a button eye like an European Old Garden Rose. Houzz isn't letting me post a photo. I'll try later.


    Here are some photos @sakkakya


    EB is light apricot when it first opens. Here it is with Strawberry Hills in the background.


    It can fade to almost white after a few days. The pure white here is the Old Garden Rose Madame Hardy and the apricot accented one is Emily Bronte.

    sakkakya thanked librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
  • 5 years ago

    Erasmus - thank heavens I always click on pictures...your Tess is STUNNING!!! I also really like your CFT...those blooms!!!


    Kristine - your ORA!!!! Oh my!!!


  • 5 years ago
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    It would be helpful to know where you live, as roses are very location specific, and people who live in your area may be able to give their opinion.

    My two cents worth: Olivia has very light fragrance and the petals don’t drop when they fade, requiring deadheading for a neat looking plant. The flowers are not peony shaped for me. Desdemona does not hold on to its faded bloom so looks neater. Sniff Wollerton Old Hall before buying, since this one you may love or hate it’s fragrance. It smells like mothballs to me. Revolting. For peony shaped blooms, consider Alnwick Castle (raspberry fragrance, regular but not a huge amount of blooms), Huntington Rose (mild fragrance, short lived blooms, many blooms, not good for cutting), Ascot ( not an Austin), Jude the Obscure (performance depends on location but widely considered one of the best for fragrance). Check Diane’s threads for this one, Ascot, and Brother Cadfael. The Shepherdess and Queen if Sweden might be considered to have peony shaped blooms.

    sakkakya thanked noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
  • 5 years ago

    noseometer thank you so much for this info! I am in the Memphis area, zone 7b. We have some harsh clay soil, hot and humid summers, and fairly mild winters.

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks, rosecanadian and librarygardener.


    Some people think Crocus Rose is more disease resistant. It's one yellow Austin that doesn't get too big. Mine's pretty big, but not huge. About 7' x 7'. Reblooms well and is sturdy and shrubby. Mine's developing a little better track record on BS but most of these past years it has been bs prone. Still, some people do find it more resistant.





  • 5 years ago

    Many of the Delbards have peony shaped blooms and the plants are usually healthy.

    Souvenir de Louis Amade. This one's new to me but I really like it and it seems tough and vigorous with good rebloom.

    The little tiny blooms are Mountain Mignonette.


    Not the best pic of La Rose de Molinard...this one is strong, healthy, and has great repeat. Also known as Perfume de Paris, so notably fragrant.


    In fact, once the Austins became so popular quite a few breeders came up with roses with similar shaped blooms, so there really is a lot to choose from and bs resistance varies.


    Here's an old tea, Mrs. B.R. Cant, which might be hardy enough for Memphis and it's extremely healthy and floriferous. Most of the blooms are a bit smaller than Austins.




  • 5 years ago

    Erasmus - oh WOW!!!! There's something extra special about your Crocus Rose blooms!!! Oh my!!! And talk about a great bloomer!!! Beautiful!! Oh, and another that is scrumptious is your SdlA!!! What a bloom!!!!!



  • 5 years ago

    @erasmus_gw Your Souvenir de Louis Amade looks so gorgeous! On HMF, the photos uploaded seem to show a lighter pink color. Yours is much richer and more attractive. Does it fades? I'd like to get one but I can't find any nursery carrying it. Where did you get yours?


    Sorry for asking so many questions. I'm just too excited while seeing a beautiful rose that I've never heard about.

  • 5 years ago

    Hi Fely Lo,

    I bought mine from Palatine. The first year it just sat there and didn't grow but hung in there. I planted it in a dry spot with some root competition ( that was about the only space available). The second year it started growing . I am impressed with its toughness, health, and rebloom. I don't know how it does own root.

    Another pic to judge color...it's a little lighter here . I do not remember it fading extremely.




  • 5 years ago

    As another option I got my Souv de Louis Amade from A Reverance for Roses

  • 5 years ago

    Ooooh!! Beauty!!

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I am zone 7b and I will share my experience. Teasing Georgia is a large, fragrant and beautiful rose. Lady of Shallot has done well also. Alnwick failed. Never really took off. I'm trying to decide what to replace it with Boscobel or Eustacia Vye. I want something as spectacular as the Teasing Georgia. I've been at this for four of five years.

  • 4 years ago

    Ablerose.... I love Boscobel (as you can tell from my previous post). 😁

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Teasing georgia sounds wonderful. i only have room for one climbing rose. i will put her on the list. I can’t decide between yellow or pink.


    is teasing georgia self-cleaning?

  • 4 years ago

    Teasing Georgia is a climber but i keep her (all four of mine) as shrub roses. I would say she's a self cleaner because i clip off all blooms for arrangements inside my home. Because i keep her as a shrub rose i have to prune her quarterly during the year. I also prune her back significantly in the winter. This is the most vigorous grower and productive bloomer of any kind of rose i have ever seen. And the flowers are awesome - beautifully constructed, wonderfully colored and very fragrant. I am replacing the Alnwick in the English rose garden with Boscobel next week. Giving the Alnwick to my mother. It never really took off but the blossoms were lovely. Decided to keep the new Eustacia Vye in the border bed. I'm in Zone 7b.

    sakkakya thanked abelrose
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