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So the Seasons Begin Their Eternal Change

Good day gardening friends! Over the last week or so, I can't help but have had this feeling of the season changing as we pull into late summer with a whole beautiful month to go, but I can't shake the feeling...
Nature is preparing to don the autumn gown.
Our typically autumn morning fogs have begun. Coming home from work the other morning demonstrated our low hilltop property shrouded in fog.
The skunks are doing their thing.
Wandering through the yard, I discovered the beautiful ripening hips of Rosa eglanteria...
Roses busily putting on growth for an autumn flush.
David Austin's Princess Anne is blooming again. I love her vibrant pink.
A very special treat- Mrs. Sam McGredy. Bush form. A band from Rogue Valley roses. First bud I've let develop. I'm not sure how long she'll stay with me, but I just really wanted to see her famous copper, flame, melon, and terracotta colours. The bud is so long!
Steven

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    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
  • 4 years ago

    The second photo shows the next door neighbors' red shrubs that I always envy. Diane

  • 4 years ago

    Hello! I apologize- I'm doing well, thank you all. Had some things going on regarding my father's health this past week and between that and working (with a trainee assigned to me), and getting sick myself around three weeks ago, I've neglected my rosiest friends.
    I even managed to fall off the edge of my roof in the process of taking off sticks from the trees. Oops! I'm sore, but nothing seriously hurt.
    Therese has had all infected girdler canes removed.
    Colours are sneaking into the trees as well and crops are getting harvested.
    Fields of pumpkins in orange, apples coming into peak season too.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Mischievous, Reine des Violettes is still maturing here. It's mostly prickle free, but some develop on the lowest parts of new, vigorous growth.
    I do get black spot here, but most things do!
    She is a joy to work with.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    @MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet Oh my gosh, I'm glad you're not seriously hurt! I'm sorry things are hard right now. Luckily, even if you can't tend to them, your rosey friends will be there for you come spring 😊 Is your RdV own root?

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
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    Thank you, I'm glad I didn't bang my head on the concrete pad!

    My RdV is own-root from RVR.



  • 4 years ago

    Oh, my goodness, Steven!!! You are so lucky that you're okay!!! I can't believe you fell from your roof and didn't break anything.


    I'm loving all of these fall pictures!

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    Tradescant



    Remember Me


    Sitting Pretty


    Quietness nearly 6'!

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    *whispers* Oh, and I of course meant you wonderful people here on the forum! You're the rosiest friends that are not roses! 😃

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Carol, thank you very much. I'd like to credit the youth and flexibility I have left in helping me "absorb" the fall.
    It was definitely a dangerous experience that I played down a bit with the few family and close friends I shared the tale with.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    @MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet Oooooh I thought you meant your actual roses 😅 Well then we're here for you anytime! Your roses are lovely. And again, very glad you didn't get seriously hurt. Have you considered maybe taking a visit to a chiropractor? It might help with the soreness. You didn't hit your head, did you? 😕

  • 4 years ago

    Mischievous, that is so relevant for me regarding the chiropractor- I actually have scoliosis with about a 30° curvature in my spine. I've gone for adjustments and rehab, but short of surgery and a steel rod, I'm crooked! The docs say I'd be two inches taller without the curve. Thankfully, I didn't hit my head! Just scuffed my right arm near my elbow and bruised my left hip and shoulder. I'm surprised and so glad they I feel practically back to normal after only two days!
    I have definitely chastised myself for my carelessness and to be more mindful of myself and surroundings.
    Here are a couple of Bishop's Castle, several more Quietness, and a Monarch chrysalis on the propane tank.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Good thing you didn't land on one of your prickly roses, either! Fortune was smiling on you, all things considered. Wow, I'm surprised the monarchs are still at that stage so far north, they'd better get a move on soon! Do you have any frosts predicted in your forecast soon?

  • 4 years ago

    Oh, for sure! I can't imagine landing IN a rose like that! I tend to have good luck for the bad luck experienced.
    Looking ahead, there could be frost October 25 here, but it looks like it'll hold off until the first week of November. It's rare, but if I'm lucky, I can have a couple roses around Thanksgiving. That hasn't happened in several years now, though.
    I hope this Monarch emerges soon and makes the migration in time!

    Here are Scentimental, Electron (Mullard Jubilee), and Angel Face. 

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    @Diane- thank you for sharing the lovely hillside autumn images. They're so beautiful.
    Those red shrubs- are they Euonymus (burning bush)?
    They're pretty, but can be a touch invasive through seeds spread by critters. We have one, and I have seedlings popping up around one hundred feet away under my Bitternut Hickories. The foliage is truly a sight to behold though.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Steven, I'm glad you are doing well after that close call, and your beautiful roses are glad you didn't land on them! I didn't know you grew Tradescant, and it's stunning. My kind of rose. And Angel Face is a favorite, too, and your AF has got the ruffles that are so important. The red bushes are my neighbor's, a non gardener who hires everything done on his place. He's kind of a recluse, so I never see him, and I'm sure he doesn't know what those bushes are. You are so lucky to have such late frosts. Ours will start coming very early this year--Oct 11, which is even worse than last year. First we all burn up with record breaking heat this summer; then just as the roses relax in the gentle fall, the weather gods blast us with early cold. What a year. It sounds like yours is going better. Back to your roses which all look lovely, Quietness stands out for beauty, I think. And the chrysalis looks like a bit of tiny pottery. If you hadn't mentioned it, I never would have known what it was. We rarely get a Monarch around here, and Swallowtails are few and far between, too. Thanks for starting this lovely thread. Diane

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
  • 4 years ago

    One of my odd hobbies is learning the latitudes of the locations we all garden in and how it affects our growing season. It might not seem like it, but you and Magpie are farther south than I am. Flat maps fool everyone, and Flowers and I are among the farthest north on this forum. Boise in southwest Idaho is about the same latitude as Toronto, Canada, and southern Maine, so I guess that explains the early fall here. I need to check rosecanadian's latitude in Calgary because I think she's the winner for most northerly latitude. Diane

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
  • 4 years ago

    Diane - TA DAH!!!!! Yes, I'm sure I'm the winner for the most northerly latitude!! :) :) I'm surprised you're getting frost so early!! We are too...but that's to be expected for here.

    That's what I thought about the chrysalis...a bit of pottery!


    Steven - do your Electron blooms have fragrance? Beautiful blooms...Scentimental really is lovely!

  • 4 years ago

    Carol, I'm surprised frost is coming so early, too. You are, indeed, the winner because I just checked it--51 degrees north for Calgary. Southern Michigan varies, and I didn't have a town to go with, but the southern peninsula starts at 41 degrees north. The upper peninsula can up to 49 degrees north. Boise is 43.6 degrees north; Portland, Oregon is 45.5 degrees, but they have the Pacific effect which makes their climate milder (zone 8). Poor Flowers is 47.7 degrees near Spokane, WA. I'll quit now. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought the chrysalis was pottery. It's so neat looking. Diane

  • 4 years ago

    Yeah, the color and smoothness of the chrysalis was really beautiful and looked just like pottery to me too. :) :)

  • 4 years ago

    Diane, I'm about 41.78°N at my garden. I'll have to double check with the wonders of modern technology! I'm about as far south in central Michigan as is possible, maybe a mile or two north of state line from Indiana. I'm inland so I don't get quite the moderating effect of the Great Lakes (lake effect rain and snow peters out before getting to me).
    So; don't quit! I find it fascinating you've gone through the effort to check these details! Wow!

    Carol, my Electron's blooms are sweetly scented, but nothing compared to the power of roses like Fragrant Cloud, Chrysler Imperial, or Papa Meilland. It doesn't seem to be too happy here though. I'll probably try another one because I'm stubborn!

    Looking again at the chrysalis, I can totally see the pottery related imagery. I like it!

    Here is a cluster of Tradescant and a couple blooms of Fragrant Cloud.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Gorgeous! I love them both, though Tradescant is more my type, I'm really liking orange roses. and yours is a beauty. I didn't realize Fragrant Cloud was that orange. Melodye in Melbourne, Australia, grows a rose called Orangerie that is stunning. I wish we'd get more of this kind of rose here in the US. You are really south, almost to Indiana, which I think of as a northern southern state. Diane

  • 4 years ago

    Steven PLEASE be more careful in the future! you could've been killed by a fall like that.

    Here in Tuscany,it's been way too hot, though luckily it has rained a bit. The woods are still mostly green, though a bit of yellow is slowly creeping into their palette. The weather forecast has me worried; they are predicting a rather dry October and November; I fervantly hope that they are totally wrong. I do so long for some real autumn weather...

  • 4 years ago

    I'll send you mine on Oct 11, bart. Now the prediction is a low of 27F. Gah. Diane

  • 4 years ago

    OOH, it's changed--no freezes and some rain instead. Of course, the evil weatherperson will probably change back again. Diane

  • 4 years ago

    Bart, I appreciate the directness and to the point nature regarding my dangerous experience. Definitely made me pause and contemplate it in a more concerning fashion versus the way I had despite my recognition of it. Though I have no immediate/nuclear family, and sometimes I have thoughts that exceed nihilism, there is still some family and a couple of close friends that would be heavily affected in the event I were to unexpectedly pass. 

    Ooh, Diane! I hope the mild weather holds for you! I have buds that should be ready by the 15th-20th if I'm fortunate!

    Steven

  • MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
  • 4 years ago

    Steven - I'm glad you are okay. That's terribly frightening that you fell off a roof. My uncle fell off a roof and had traumatic brain injury. He went from being a vibrant active laughing man, to a really different person, no smiling, shuffling and barely able to walk, almost unable to speak or respond in any meaningful way, just single words and it wasn't clear if he recognized anyone. He needed help to eat, get dressed, use the toilet, everything. He passed about 10 years later, and it was awful for his family. Good thing you were lucky and didn't mess up your back either!

    Your Tradescant is just gorgeous. How is the bush shape and overall performance?

  • 4 years ago

    Oh my gosh Noseo, that's horrible. Yes there are a LOT of circumstances in between being a little sore and death, but I didn't want to freak Steven out about things that could have been.

    @MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet Honestly I know we are all just randoms on the internet, but still we care. It's why I revived the post after a while, I was just thinking of you and sympathizing with how you must have been feeling about your Therese Bugnet, and I was hoping you were well. I have not always agreed with everything you've said on here but there are similarities between us that have inspired a sort of tenderness for you. I truly, truly am glad you're okay. I think we are close in age, and the idea of you being so young and possibly getting so hurt makes my stomach turn.

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    Steven - thanks for the info on Electron. I appreciate it. :) :) I really love your Tradescant. :)

    Diane - I'm glad your weather forecast has improved a bit. :) :) We're going to get 22C/72F Tuesday!! Lovely weather! But next week, we are probably going to get snow and night lows of -5C/23F...the roses can withstand that...and then it warms a bit. :)

    Noseometer - TBIs are scary and can really (as you say) affect one's personality/whole life. We all need to be careful...especially you Steven...:) :)


    There are people here who prune on wonky slopes, etc. Be careful everyone. <3 <3

  • 4 years ago

    @noseometer- oh my gosh! I'm so sorry to hear about your family's experience with severe head injuries and all the heartache it brought. Thank you for having the strength and confidence to share with us. I don't know if I'd be aware of it in that situation should something happen, but I can't imagine my niece going through that. She is only three, but my sister says that EVERYTHING is all about Uncle Steven and it melts my heart. My sister herself had a bad snowmobiling accident years ago and ended up in the ICU in Traverse City. It was very scary. She's fine today, but I can tell she's not quite the same as before the accident. I've walked away from severe car accidents that could have been dire as well. Accidents bad enough that my sister cried when she saw the car.
    My Tradescant that is more impressive is grafted on Multiflora from Palatine. I'd guess it's around 3' tall, arching, and nicely vigorous. It's so much more impressive and floriferous than the one-cane Wonder one that's 5 years old from David Austin Roses and grafted on Huey. It's gotten black spot and is defoliating, but no mildew and I generally don't spray. I'm super excited to see it settle in!

    @Mischievous- That is very considerate of you to have the grade and gentility of approach for me. I promise I wouldn't have been upset, but I think rather I did have felt like when one gets into very serious trouble when a child. I understand not agreeing with someone, and I think that's completely okay! What isn't okay I for someone to believe another's experiences and background are invalidated by their own. There are many details that can shade and temper statements, but without the full story all we can have sometimes are initial thoughts, feelings, and knee-jerk reactions. Having my Therese Bugnet hit hard by girdlers is definitely the most upsetting garden event I've experienced this season. Thank you for your concern too (ALL of you internet rosie randos for that matter!) I notice when folks haven't been on in some time, and I do think of them and hope for them to be well. I'll be honest regarding my age too- I'll be 35 in less than a month. 

    I had a much better post last night, but it vanished on me!

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Steven, I hope you didn‘t think that I mentioned that to scare you. I only mentioned it so you know where I am coming from in my concern for your well-being, and thankfulness that you didn‘t have to go through something like that.

    Thanks for the info on Tradescant. I love roses that have long arching graceful canes. They are my favorite. Interesting that those on multiflora do better for you than Dr. Huey. makes sense though given your climate.


    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
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    Oh no, I didn't have any kind of notion you were trying to scare me. An honest explanation of an experience just is what it is. I'm a different kind of sensitive, haha!

    I can't wait for more colours to show in the trees and for the final blooms to open so that I can share more relevant pictures for the thread.


    Carol, I want to say Thank You for the advice on being more cautious. I definitely will moving forward!


    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    The trees here have mostly turned their colors, but no falling leaves yet. I really like when they begin to fall, and you go for a walk on a crisp morning when the wind blows the leaves all about, and that lovely sound the crunchy leaves make. Of course, then there's the risk of bitter disappointment when you go to step on a leaf that looks very crunchy but it doesn't crunch lol 😅 I wish my garden had more fall changing leaves. All I've got is plumbago and some roses that are supposed to change, but I've yet to see it...

  • 4 years ago

    I'll send you some of my leaves, Magpie. Be sure to scatter them all over the ground and in your flowers beds and veg garden. Now get the rake out. They're falling all right. My most unfavorite are the honey locust with little narrow leaves, a zillion of them, that fall in tandem with little twigs. The twigs stick in everything, and the tiny leaves are hard to dislodge. I have some flower beds I have to clean up three times per fall, on my hands and knees, using a hand rake. Still, it is indeed beautiful all around and will be until we have a really killing frost. Diane

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
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    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
  • 4 years ago

    Steven - that is good to hear. :) :) I love how your niece thinks that you hung the moon. :)


    Magpie - yes, the crunch of the leaves...and the disappointment of the soggy ones. I love crunching leaves...most people stop loving that when they get older. But, we're gardeners...and we never grow up. LOL


    Diane - beautiful pictures...my favorite is the 2nd one...the colors are so beautiful together!

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked rosecanadian
  • 4 years ago

    A foggy, grey and damp day today!
    Monarch chrysalis is still on the tank, but a butterfly was here today too! From another, hidden chrysalis maybe?
    Bud of Aunt Honey, Bishop's Castle with buds, and Chrysler Imperial sprouting vigorously and setting more buds! 

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    A few final Morning Glories too

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    More gorgeous photos, Steven. That morning glory looks a bit like Kniola Black, which has several names and different spellings. What a lovely colored bud of Aunt Honey. Don't you wish they would open already? Here it's a race to beat the killing frost and the laggard roses are going to lose all those wonderful buds that aren't open. Per our latitude discussion, I'm sure you have more time than I have before it all goes away. When we have fog, smog, or smoke, all the hills and mountains disappear. Here's a photo from fall 2020 that I'm not sure I'm ever posted. It was shot from my daughter's balcony. Diane

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
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    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked Diane Brakefield
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    Stephen - I love that butterfly...the black with white dots is sooo beautiful! Looks like the chrysalis is getting less opaque. I love the color (WOW!) on your Morning Glory!!


    Diane that shot reminds me of the movie Brigadoon!!! So softly present that it may disappear at any time like the town of Brigadoon. :)

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked rosecanadian
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    Steven: Thank God you are OK after falling off the roof. My brother, an emergency doc. in Grand Rapids, MI, fell off the roof while fixing his house. He's young and Mr.fix-it-all. He got a few bruised ribs, but OK.

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked strawchicago z5
  • 4 years ago

    Thank you, straw. I appreciate the concern!

    Today we have... Chicago Peace, Bishop's Castle, Lafter, A Shropshire Lad, and Aunt Honey!

    It's warm today. 80°F! The corn is being harvested across the road too.

    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Oooh!!! The colors on your CP!!! Lafter is wonderful as is BC!!

  • 4 years ago

    Chicago Peace blown within one day x2, Lafter open, the sad Francis Meilland sprouting a couple basal breaks, and the Monarch Chrysalis is still there. I hope it's okay and will emerge before the cold comes.

    Steven

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    It's a much cooler and overcast day today. I decided to cut the nicest blooms I have and bring them in.
    Bishop's Castle had the most, and The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild had one large bloom too.
    My Chrysler Imperial is losing the red in its new growth!
    The cut blooms inside.

    Steven



    Bishop's Castle


    The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild


    Bishop's Castle


    Chrysler Imperial with BC and TIMF in the background, and Aunt Honey to the left!



  • 4 years ago

    Those are lovely!!!

    MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet thanked ann beck 8a ruralish WA
  • 4 years ago

    Thank you Ann. I absolutely love the fragrances of these pink lovelies. Bishop's Castle is definitely stronger, The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild is lovely and sweet, but not quite as strong and a "cooler" scent.


    Steven

  • 4 years ago

    Steven - so good to see those healthy canes growing on Francis Meilland! I love your bouquet! Such lovely pinks! My fave is your Bishop Castle. Even if the monarch butterfly escapes its cocoon, it may be too late for it to feed and migrate?? I have no idea...just thinking that may be the case.