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Can I get a plant ID?

4 years ago

I have this growing in an area in my landscape beds and always wondered what it was. Its grows from a bulb and the blooms dont last to long.Any idea?? TIA








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  • 4 years ago

    It appears to be a Hymenocallis.

  • 4 years ago

    Peruvian daffodil, Hymenocallis x festalis ( syn. Ismene festalis). Not reliably winter hardy below z8.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Could be Hymenocallis occidentalis, which is hardy to zone 5? Can you give a location? It's standard protocol, when posting a question, in this forum. Thanks!

  • 4 years ago

    I am in north georgia, zone 7B

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Hymenocallis crassifolia is another possibility. The leaves are too far gone to tell for sure. Peruvian Daffadil has a larger, deeper corolla imo.

  • 4 years ago

    After looking at the flowers more, I'll say Hymenocallis coronaria.

  • 4 years ago

    North Georgia is, probably was at this point, the northern end of a safe zone for your Crinum and now the Hymenocallis. What is the origin of these bulbs in your garden? Neither are common plants sold in nurseries. They are more pass along plants from other gardens. Do you have Lycoris, Rhodophiala or Zephyranthes?

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    This plant was given to me about 13 yrs ago,probaly longer from a friend of my ex wife. So you are right it was passed to me. It comes back every yr but like I said the blooms dont last long. Ill try and get a good pic of the leaves when they start emerging this upcoming season.. My mom gave me the crinum, havent had the crinum as long as the plant above though.

    I dont have any of the Lycoris, Rhodophiala or Zephyranthes either

  • 4 years ago

    You can grow all those bulbs in N. Ga. Easy to buy online from bulb catalogs.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Randy, the emerging leaves won't be near enough information to ID your Hymenocallis. Wait till its in flower again. I suspect it could be H. coronaria due to the edges of the fused stamens and the widths and lengths of the petals, but they are difficult. I want to talk about the Peruvian Daffadil now. It is known scientifically as Hymenocallis x festalis. When I type this name at Inaturalist it registers as Ismene x deflexa? OK so Ismene is just a synonym for Hymenocallis. The epithet deflexa reffering to the bent pedicels, more descriptive than festalis. It's parents are H. longipetala,(pollen source), and H. narcissiflora,(female plant), both from Peru not Mexico as sometimes stated. I saw it being called the straight species H. narcissiflora, but that's an error. It was bred in the early 1900s by Arlington Worsley who grew and bred Hymenocallis as a hobby. I think what he was trying to do, was blend together the deeper corolla if H. longipetala, with the wider corolla of H. narcissiflora. I don't know if fragrance played any part in his scheme? Dissection of the flower might be necessary, so have a surgical kit ready.🤣

    http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=116083

    https://www.uaex.uada.edu/yard-garden/resource-library/plant-week/daffodil-peruvian-6-19-09.as

    The epithet deflexa refers to the bent pedicels of Isomene x deflexa. The OPs Hymenocallis has longer, thinner petals, and more erect pedicels, compared to Hymenocallis x deflexa. Peruvian Daffadil is sterile. The cultivar H. Advance is a back crossing of H. x deflexa and H. narcissiflora.

    Edit: I had the flower morphology wrong. The 6 long, narrow petals are petals not sepals, and what I thought were the petals, are 6 fused stamens that form the cup.


    Hymenocallis coronaria?

  • 4 years ago

    Just curious - do the flowers smell good?

  • 4 years ago
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    Yes, they all are fragrant. Some species are reported to have a strong vanilla scent.

    I said Ismene and Hymenocallis were synonyms, but they are really 2 separate genera and are closely related to Leptochiton. The north American Hymenocallis stay in Hymenocallis. The Peruvian Ismene are are all referred to as Peruvian Daffadils. They are the parents of Ismene x deflexa. The common name 'Peruvian Daffadil' is used for many of these species, and hybrids of them, and not just Isomene x deflexa.




    A lot of confusion about genus names. This is being advertised as Hymenocallis, but it was bred from 2 Ismene species from Peru. Ismene, Hymenocallis, and Leptochiton are so similar that genus names and common names are used wrongly and interchangeably often. Which can lead one to believe they are synonyms, but they aren't.

  • 4 years ago

    God bless the plant geeks Jay. Since pinning down a positive ID may be impossible until it blooms this year and there is a better picture, tracking its garden history as a pass along plant may be interesting and worth pursuing for an ID. Its location in N. Ga is a clue. We need to know more about the "friend of Randy's ex-wife."

  • 4 years ago

    One theory is that maybe someone dug them from a nearby wetlands, a couple generations ago, and when they grew well for them, they started passing them around. There is another Hymenocallis species in Florida, H. tridentata/straubii. I read it can grow further north. A history of this plant would be nice, but it might be impossible to follow the trail. With all the Hymenocallis lookalikes out there, the OPs plant could be one of those South American species also? They come from the Andes and they are hardy in the southeast. I'm leaning on it being a native species. I grew Ismene x deflexa once decades ago. I only knew plants by there common names back then. I succeeded and the Peruvian Daffadils were beautiful, I should have dug the bulbs up and stored them, but I didn't. I'd like to try growing Hymenocallis occidentalis in the future. It's the only species hardy enough to grow in Illinois. I went through a tropical bulb phase, with bamboo and Elephant Ears, and now I'm a native, prairie, geek. Go figure?🤔


  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    More pics with a better camera phone, They are starting to spread. I am gonna dig some up after its finished blooming




  • 3 years ago

    Thank you for coming back with new photos Randy! I may have thought earlier that I'd be able to ID the species it was, but after learning more, it appears that IDing Hymenocallis is more difficult than I thought, and it can only be done with the plant in hand. It requires measuring overies and other flower and leaf parts. I assume most of the Hymenocallis species native to Florida could survive and maybe thrive in Georgia as well. That makes 17 species native to NA, and other species from central and south America might also be in cultivation in the southeastern US. These are the keys and information for all the Hymenocallis species native to North America.



  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Randy, I may have thought I could ID your Hymenocallis a year ago, but I realize now that a species ID is too diffucult to make using only photos. All the Hymenocallis species look very similar, and to key them out requires taking measurements of the flower parts and leaves. You need to have the plant in hand, to make an ID. If you absolutely must know the ID, you might get help from your county extention service, or if you live close to Athens, you can contact the botany dept. at the university of Georgia and see if any of their graduate students live near you, and they might be willing to stop by and ID it for you. You would need some leaves to still be green, so they can be measured. I assume that most of the Hymenocallis species that are native to Florida, can also grow un Georgia, so that's a total of 17 species, that it could be, and add to that any Central or South American species that are hardy in Georgia. I'm not very familiar with Hymenocallis, because they all grow far south of me. I grew 1 Hymenocallis about 30 years ago. The bulbs came in a bag that was sold at a garden center.

    I wrote this comment because the previous comment wasn't showing, because this platform is totally disfunctional.

  • 3 years ago

    Getting an id for these is challenging in many cases. I've used the PACIFIC BULB SOCIETY * site to narrow things down with the photos and brief descriptions, because opening that many pages individually can quickly get overwhelming. Don't forget to use the many links in the upper section to go through the other related id options. When the options have been narrowed, I go to more detailed individual pages of just those names to compare.


    By the time I eventually narrowed mine down to several probabilities, I took two Advil and decided to just enjoy my plant as a Peruvian Daffodil. :)


    * Hymenocallis | Pacific Bulb Society

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